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Old 07-15-2009, 05:42 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Well you can't say boxing is a ***** sport compared to MMA, you've gotta give boxers credit for at least just standing and get punched repeatedly!
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Old 07-16-2009, 02:44 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Well you can't say boxing is a ***** sport compared to MMA, you've gotta give boxers credit for at least just standing and get punched repeatedly!
Didn't say boxing was ***** compared to mma. Just said it was different.
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Old 07-16-2009, 07:09 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Point taken, but anyone who has done mma training knows that a 3 min round is relatively easy compared to a 5 min round in terms of cardio. Those extra 2 mins are punishing especially if the pace is being pushed. Add this to the fact that mma fighters are using more muscles in the body and for different purposes. By that i mean a boxer doesn't have to worry about takedowns or kicks or whatever else may come. An mma fighter has it much tougher.
Yeah rounds are shorter but you also can argue that boxing gloves are way heavier than mma glove so i think it must be really tiring to throw punch after punch .
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Old 07-16-2009, 07:16 AM   #14 (permalink)
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which is harder?

although theres alot of depth in boxing, theres alot more in mma. mma has so many dimensions, from grappling to striking. the striking in mma has a lot more variety than boxing with kicks, knees, elbows and clinch work.


which is more tiring on body?

the grappling in mma is extremely tiring compared to striking. both men are struggling very hard to get position and it takes alot of energy. take into account that both boxers and mma fighters are great athletes, yet boxers come out in round 10 looking fresh whereas alot of mma fighters are gassed by round 3.

which is more extreme?

mma is still a new phenomenon to the general public. it can be more bloody due to elbows and the smaller gloves. plus it looks brutal seeing someone getting mounted and pounded on. being in a cage also doesn't help.

which is more harmful? overall?

well in mma when a fighter gets knocked down the fight is usually stopped within seconds if he can't defend himself. boxing lets the rocked fighter get back up and continue, sometimes being knocked down multiple times. that causes alot of trauma and gives a great risk of receiving a concussion. plus, in boxing you spend most of the time being punched in the head, and for a longer time.
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Old 07-16-2009, 08:51 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Wow a lot of ignorance and fanboism... Apparently no one has done both.

I have boxed amaturely and have a D1 high school wrestling background and a third degree brown belt in Karate and a purple belt in Akido.

It is a MYTH that boxing has "less going on in the striking game than MMA." 50 year old washed up Ray Mercer showed this against Tim, "the maniac." Tim's friend Jens Pulver had an interview in which he discussed how Tim was making a mistake fighting a boxer, that they are "apples and oranges and two totally different sports."

In boxing you have to focus on footwork, feints, shoulder rolls, etc etc. The stance is different and there are a million "little" things that you have to focus on because it is "just punches."

The striking in MMA is completley different and so is the training. have you seen on TUF the guys trying to hit the speed bag? It is a joke.

Boxers have usually been boxing since the age of 5 and the money and depth of the game has evolved to the point where it is impossible to make it on TV or "big money" without being a tremendously gifted athlete. Floyd Mayweather (who i cant stand) and Manny Pac Man Pacquaio are prime examples of athletes that are just above anything else. There is no way you could have a "show" and then get the boxers ready to compete at that level. They TRIED but were unsuccessful with the Contender. They even had nationally ranked guys like Peter Manfredo Jr but once they got in the ring with the elite....they get DESTROYED. UFC is still in its infancy and doesnt demand quite the level of athlete (because the sport is evolving and the money isnt there). So you can get a good fighter on TUF, train some TDD and he can potentially do really well against the elite (griffin, bisping, evans, florian, sanchez, etc).

While MMA does have more allowable fighting styles and parts of the body to look out for, that DOES NOT mean there is LESS going on with boxing. The sophistication of the boxers style is so complex and evolved that it is ignorant to assume otherwise.

BOTH SPORTS require skill and training....just different kids. People used to say that a good wrestler can become good at MMA due to TDD and ground control. Well good boxers can as well. If you have a high level boxer come to MMA...you can teach TDD and submission defense relatively easy. A BJJ they won't be, but if they keep that fight standing.....watch out. Many of the UFC fights and MMA fights are guys utilizing TDD and striking. You don't see rashad evans doing many leg kicks and he was just a pure wrestler...then he is standing up knocking out some of the worlds best MMA fighters due to boxing. Put Vitali Klitscko in the boxing ring with Lesner and Lesner won't be able to go drink his beer and bang sable. He will be having facial reconstructive surgery. However, put him in the cage and the opposite would be true.

Bottom line...both fighters are bad ass and don't take either fighter lightly. This is coming from someone who trains both camps. peace.
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Old 07-16-2009, 10:28 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Wow a lot of ignorance and fanboism... Apparently no one has done both.

I have boxed amaturely and have a D1 high school wrestling background and a third degree brown belt in Karate and a purple belt in Akido.

It is a MYTH that boxing has "less going on in the striking game than MMA." 50 year old washed up Ray Mercer showed this against Tim, "the maniac." Tim's friend Jens Pulver had an interview in which he discussed how Tim was making a mistake fighting a boxer, that they are "apples and oranges and two totally different sports."

In boxing you have to focus on footwork, feints, shoulder rolls, etc etc. The stance is different and there are a million "little" things that you have to focus on because it is "just punches."

The striking in MMA is completley different and so is the training. have you seen on TUF the guys trying to hit the speed bag? It is a joke.

Boxers have usually been boxing since the age of 5 and the money and depth of the game has evolved to the point where it is impossible to make it on TV or "big money" without being a tremendously gifted athlete. Floyd Mayweather (who i cant stand) and Manny Pac Man Pacquaio are prime examples of athletes that are just above anything else. There is no way you could have a "show" and then get the boxers ready to compete at that level. They TRIED but were unsuccessful with the Contender. They even had nationally ranked guys like Peter Manfredo Jr but once they got in the ring with the elite....they get DESTROYED. UFC is still in its infancy and doesnt demand quite the level of athlete (because the sport is evolving and the money isnt there). So you can get a good fighter on TUF, train some TDD and he can potentially do really well against the elite (griffin, bisping, evans, florian, sanchez, etc).

While MMA does have more allowable fighting styles and parts of the body to look out for, that DOES NOT mean there is LESS going on with boxing. The sophistication of the boxers style is so complex and evolved that it is ignorant to assume otherwise.

BOTH SPORTS require skill and training....just different kids. People used to say that a good wrestler can become good at MMA due to TDD and ground control. Well good boxers can as well. If you have a high level boxer come to MMA...you can teach TDD and submission defense relatively easy. A BJJ they won't be, but if they keep that fight standing.....watch out. Many of the UFC fights and MMA fights are guys utilizing TDD and striking. You don't see rashad evans doing many leg kicks and he was just a pure wrestler...then he is standing up knocking out some of the worlds best MMA fighters due to boxing. Put Vitali Klitscko in the boxing ring with Lesner and Lesner won't be able to go drink his beer and bang sable. He will be having facial reconstructive surgery. However, put him in the cage and the opposite would be true.

Bottom line...both fighters are bad ass and don't take either fighter lightly. This is coming from someone who trains both camps. peace.
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Old 07-16-2009, 11:58 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Wow a lot of ignorance and fanboism... Apparently no one has done both.

I have boxed amaturely and have a D1 high school wrestling background and a third degree brown belt in Karate and a purple belt in Akido.

It is a MYTH that boxing has "less going on in the striking game than MMA." 50 year old washed up Ray Mercer showed this against Tim, "the maniac." Tim's friend Jens Pulver had an interview in which he discussed how Tim was making a mistake fighting a boxer, that they are "apples and oranges and two totally different sports."

In boxing you have to focus on footwork, feints, shoulder rolls, etc etc. The stance is different and there are a million "little" things that you have to focus on because it is "just punches."

The striking in MMA is completley different and so is the training. have you seen on TUF the guys trying to hit the speed bag? It is a joke.

Boxers have usually been boxing since the age of 5 and the money and depth of the game has evolved to the point where it is impossible to make it on TV or "big money" without being a tremendously gifted athlete. Floyd Mayweather (who i cant stand) and Manny Pac Man Pacquaio are prime examples of athletes that are just above anything else. There is no way you could have a "show" and then get the boxers ready to compete at that level. They TRIED but were unsuccessful with the Contender. They even had nationally ranked guys like Peter Manfredo Jr but once they got in the ring with the elite....they get DESTROYED. UFC is still in its infancy and doesnt demand quite the level of athlete (because the sport is evolving and the money isnt there). So you can get a good fighter on TUF, train some TDD and he can potentially do really well against the elite (griffin, bisping, evans, florian, sanchez, etc).

While MMA does have more allowable fighting styles and parts of the body to look out for, that DOES NOT mean there is LESS going on with boxing. The sophistication of the boxers style is so complex and evolved that it is ignorant to assume otherwise.

BOTH SPORTS require skill and training....just different kids. People used to say that a good wrestler can become good at MMA due to TDD and ground control. Well good boxers can as well. If you have a high level boxer come to MMA...you can teach TDD and submission defense relatively easy. A BJJ they won't be, but if they keep that fight standing.....watch out. Many of the UFC fights and MMA fights are guys utilizing TDD and striking. You don't see rashad evans doing many leg kicks and he was just a pure wrestler...then he is standing up knocking out some of the worlds best MMA fighters due to boxing. Put Vitali Klitscko in the boxing ring with Lesner and Lesner won't be able to go drink his beer and bang sable. He will be having facial reconstructive surgery. However, put him in the cage and the opposite would be true.

Bottom line...both fighters are bad ass and don't take either fighter lightly. This is coming from someone who trains both camps. peace.

Good points! But I'm prettysure that most people were just saying that MMA requires you to be more versatile, and boxing leads to more head injuries due to the stoppages being so much later. Fighting concussions because you have "fighting spirit" isn't good for you and I think that is the main argument. Nobody said it didn't take skill.
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Wow a lot of ignorance and fanboism... Apparently no one has done both.

I have boxed amaturely and have a D1 high school wrestling background and a third degree brown belt in Karate and a purple belt in Akido.

It is a MYTH that boxing has "less going on in the striking game than MMA." 50 year old washed up Ray Mercer showed this against Tim, "the maniac." Tim's friend Jens Pulver had an interview in which he discussed how Tim was making a mistake fighting a boxer, that they are "apples and oranges and two totally different sports."

In boxing you have to focus on footwork, feints, shoulder rolls, etc etc. The stance is different and there are a million "little" things that you have to focus on because it is "just punches."

The striking in MMA is completley different and so is the training. have you seen on TUF the guys trying to hit the speed bag? It is a joke.

Boxers have usually been boxing since the age of 5 and the money and depth of the game has evolved to the point where it is impossible to make it on TV or "big money" without being a tremendously gifted athlete. Floyd Mayweather (who i cant stand) and Manny Pac Man Pacquaio are prime examples of athletes that are just above anything else. There is no way you could have a "show" and then get the boxers ready to compete at that level. They TRIED but were unsuccessful with the Contender. They even had nationally ranked guys like Peter Manfredo Jr but once they got in the ring with the elite....they get DESTROYED. UFC is still in its infancy and doesnt demand quite the level of athlete (because the sport is evolving and the money isnt there). So you can get a good fighter on TUF, train some TDD and he can potentially do really well against the elite (griffin, bisping, evans, florian, sanchez, etc).

While MMA does have more allowable fighting styles and parts of the body to look out for, that DOES NOT mean there is LESS going on with boxing. The sophistication of the boxers style is so complex and evolved that it is ignorant to assume otherwise.

BOTH SPORTS require skill and training....just different kids. People used to say that a good wrestler can become good at MMA due to TDD and ground control. Well good boxers can as well. If you have a high level boxer come to MMA...you can teach TDD and submission defense relatively easy. A BJJ they won't be, but if they keep that fight standing.....watch out. Many of the UFC fights and MMA fights are guys utilizing TDD and striking. You don't see rashad evans doing many leg kicks and he was just a pure wrestler...then he is standing up knocking out some of the worlds best MMA fighters due to boxing. Put Vitali Klitscko in the boxing ring with Lesner and Lesner won't be able to go drink his beer and bang sable. He will be having facial reconstructive surgery. However, put him in the cage and the opposite would be true.

Bottom line...both fighters are bad ass and don't take either fighter lightly. This is coming from someone who trains both camps. peace.
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Old 07-16-2009, 04:07 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Yeah they are two definately different sports. I don't understand how Arlovski thought he could beat Fedor by boxing with him. If Fedor had decided to take it to the ground it would've been over for Arlovski quicker than if he had tried to take out Fedor with that flying knee!
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I don't really count that either because Vasquez had a pre-existing blood clot in his head. Yeah, technically he died due to blunt force trauma to the head in conjunction with the blood clot, but that pre-existing condition caused it.
I'm glad you and Vasquez's family agree on this. I'm sure you didn't mean it but this just read bad...

I would think an MMA fight with stand-up and ground game is more physically exhausting than a 8 rounder. I would imagine getting hit by a fist with 4 ounce gloves is lot more damaging than 10 or 12 oz. At the elite level, I think boxers who fight continuously for 12 rounds have more stamina than elit MMAers, because really how many of these fights go the distance.
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