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General MMA Discussion Discuss King Of The Cage, Ultimate Challenge UK, and HDNet Fights as well as general mixed martial arts discussion.
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07-19-2009, 02:12 PM
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Why is Greco Roman wrestling considered the best form of wrestling for MMA?
I've often heard people and fighters say that Greco Roman wrestling is better than freestyle wrestling, Judo and even BJJ for grappling in MMA. I've often heard it but I have never had anyone explain why. Anybody care to share?
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07-19-2009, 02:59 PM
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hmm i've never heard someone say greco roman is the best grappling art. to be honest, i don't think there is a best single art, it all depends on the fighter himself and how he utilizes it in mma. fedor dominates with sambo, karo has dominated alot of people with his judo and i don't need to mention gsps wrestling.
theres no doubt that greco roman is a great technique though. the likes of hendo and couture use greco roman very well. they can control their opponent in the clinch and take them down from there. couture wins most of his fights utilizing the greco roman clinch by controlling and dirty boxing his opponent.
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07-19-2009, 03:42 PM
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Wouldnt say its the best but it is very effective..........Lots of clinching, that goes along with Muay Thai fighters, it allow close contact fighting from the clinch....i.e..Dirty boxing, plus it keeps your opponent close to you so there are a variey of sweeps and tosses to utilize from that position.........
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07-19-2009, 04:02 PM
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Well Randy Couture has often said that he did Greco Roman Wrestling specifically for MMA. Other wrestlers turned MMA fighters have said the same thing. I guess it makes sense though, specially the whole clinch game. You don't really have to change your stance or base much with Greco Roman wrestling, so yeah, makes a little bit more sense now that i have thought about it properly
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07-19-2009, 06:05 PM
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You could argue that Greco is better because you don't have to shoot and leave yourself open to a knee or an uppercut. Clinching before bringing the fight to the mat is a more conservatice way of doing things.
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07-20-2009, 06:15 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ID06
You could argue that Greco is better because you don't have to shoot and leave yourself open to a knee or an uppercut. Clinching before bringing the fight to the mat is a more conservatice way of doing things.
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^This, and also that Greco-Roman is a good base for dirty boxing.
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Originally Posted by The Dark Knight
better than freestyle wrestling, Judo and even BJJ
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I wouldn't compare wrestling with BJJ. They focus on different aspects of the game.
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07-20-2009, 08:30 PM
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Greco Fighters
Well look at guys like Randy Couture, Dan Henderson and Matt Lindland in his prime! All of them were greco wrestlers and have done pretty good in MMA!
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07-20-2009, 08:39 PM
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because a talented sprawler with good knees and hands can quickly end a fight against a guy who specializes in leg shoots. a strong greco clinch artist does not really subject himself to the same danger. and one who excels in dirty boxing can be at a major advantage while attempting a clinch takedown.
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07-20-2009, 10:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ID06
You could argue that Greco is better because you don't have to shoot and leave yourself open to a knee or an uppercut. Clinching before bringing the fight to the mat is a more conservatice way of doing things.
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Good post, terrible avatar. It's much easier to box your way into a clinch or closer takedown game instead of shooting and searching for doubles, ankle picks, high crotch, etc. Couture's takedowns against Gonzaga and Liddell (1) are good examples
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07-20-2009, 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Terry77
Good post, terrible avatar. It's much easier to box your way into a clinch or closer takedown game instead of shooting and searching for doubles, ankle picks, high crotch, etc. Couture's takedowns against Gonzaga and Liddell (1) are good examples
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LMAO........ 
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