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post #11 of 353 (permalink) Old 03-18-2009, 05:10 PM
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Um, Bruce Lee never fought a real goddamned fight in his entire life. He didn't perfect the art of fighting without going to the ground, he perfected the art of making flashy entertaining movies to impress the casual viewers. One inch punch doesn't work, it's all make-believe. He did some nice things refining traditional martial arts into JKD, but it's still only a precursor to modern MMA.

Since you base your opinion of reality on movies, I'd say write to your local representative; tell him that we should screw this whole troops in Afghanistan for Al Qaeda thing and just send Silvester Stallone over. He'll be like "Why didn't we think of that?!", then they'll dedicate a national holiday to you.
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Don't want to bump this up, but just a couple comments to the OP -

1) Wasn't Bruce Lee defeated back in the day? I know he was a phenominal fighter, but I don't recall him as not ever being beat. For whatever it's worth, I knew a guy who was into martial arts (obviously an older guy, reference time period) and he told me he'd seen Bruce Lee get beat. He said Lee was very, very good (duh), and what was most impressive was his hand speed. The guy (Jim) stated it was basically super difficult to keep track of his arms below the elbow - super fast fighter with lots of focus. He'd wathced him do the 3 inch punch or whatever. As someone already noted that comes from a strong base being able to use your hips, but also shoulder, which would be moot in many grappling situations.

2) Bruce could have learned more if he were alive today, but if you are saying the Bruce Lee from back then would beat everyone, you are wrong. Bruce was partly so good because of his enlightening interpretation of the martial arts, to incorporate all the arts, and focus on the best techniques from them. Still, I don't know if he incorporated much wrestling into his training, and I would say any great wrestler that could slightly distract him with decent stand-up would be able to get a takedown on him. At that point, the mma game of today (Damian Maia is an extreme case, but any top tier BJJ practitioner) would be able to submit the Bruce Lee you are referencing.
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Honestly it is like saying a 69 BMW is better than a 2009. Perhaps you like the style better, but things have evolved. It really isn't a fair comparison.

Bruce Lee would be proud to see how far MMA has come.


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I think it's pretty obvious that Bruce couldn't compete in MMA with the set of skills he had. The real question is; If Bruce Lee could give the same kind of commitment to MMA that he gave to Kung Fu would he be a contender?
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right, long time reader here, first time poster.....

i think bruce lee's abilitys can not be doubted, i dont think his skill set would do well against that of a modern day mma fighter.... however, i do think that the guy would be leapes and bounds ahead of any other fighter if given the same training... or if he were born in this day & age with his natural ability etc
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Everyone knows that Bruce Lee is the greatest fighter ever and I tell my friends who all watch UFC that he could easily defeat any of them however they all tell me I'm wrong. The main reasons I feel he could beat any UFC (or MMA fighter) is:
  • One inch punch
  • Didn't need to fight people on the ground
  • Mental toughness


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Which all means nothing unless you've fought in a competition. Has Bruce ever fought in a real tournament? Nope? Has he fought any ranked fighters? Nope. Has he won any championships? Nope. Has he made lots of movies? Yup.

Finally, the only fights we've ever heard of is when he fights some mysterious, unknown "grandmaster" behind closed doors, or some schmuck off the streets. It's all meaningless. For Christ's sake, at least Van Damme formally competed and had an 18-2 record in karate.

PS - you are at an extreme disadvantage if you don't know how to fight on the ground.

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Bruce Lee is arguably the first mixed martial artist and was an amazing physical specimen. However, with the skillset he had at his death he would get beat by anyone with a decent ground game.

But, I will say if Bruce Lee was alive and in his prime today, he would be training all the different discipline and with his focus and natural athleticism would probably dominate his weight class.

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Which all means nothing unless you've fought in a competition. Has Bruce ever fought in a real tournament? Nope? Has he fought any ranked fighters? Nope. Has he won any championships? Nope. Has he made lots of movies? Yup.

Finally, the only fights we've ever heard of is when he fights some "grandmaster" behind closed doors, or some schmuck off the streets. It's all meaningless. For Christ's sake, at least Van Damme formally competed and had an 18-2 record in karate.

PS - you are at an extreme disadvantage if you don't know how to fight on the ground.
A lot of history's best fighters never entered any tournaments.

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A lot of history's best fighters never entered any tournaments.
Like who? More movie stars and myths? Unless they actually fight to prove it, it is usually nothing more than choreography, sideshow tricks and old wives tales.
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I tell my friends who all watch UFC that he could easily defeat any of them however they all tell me I'm wrong.
Let me put It this way, Kim Couture (Randy's wife) could **** Bruce Lee... literally
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Let me put It this way, Kim Couture (Randy's wife) could **** Bruce Lee... literally
I could **** Bruce Lee also, what does that even mean?



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