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Cindy comes from a strong judo background and just defeated Coenen who was 16-2 at the time. Defeating the then #1 female fighter in the featherweight division in her first MMA fight takes some talent, imo. But you're probably going to argue that just makes the division weaker. However, that's not the point I was trying to make. The point was that there is plenty of fighters in Gina's weight division to "cherry pick" from, which you argued against. Gina could have decided not to take the fight with Cyborg and continued to pad her record, but she didn't.
Do you even know if she had a choice? if you hadn't noticed scott coker aint really trying to build fighters that already have name recognition..If there is an opportunity to do the money match at the next event he will make it happen like armageddon was 2tomorrow. Whether its lack of depth or the non exclusive contract structure, its just the way he runs things.I remember when strikforce bought elite xc contracts and gina held out (while in hibernation)..And he used the football analogy that summer camp has started and she is no where to be seen..How much do you want to bet that was about refusing to fight cyborg unless her salary matched the mens..Not really a fearless warrior that will take on all comers is she..More like a woman looking for as much as she can get using the cyborg situation to negotiate a new deal probably hoping that coker wouldn't cave in to her lofty demands and she could use that as an excuse not to fight..

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Do you even know if she had a choice? if you hadn't noticed scott coker aint really trying to build fighters that already have name recognition..If there is an opportunity to do the money match at the next event he will make it happen like armageddon was 2tomorrow. Whether its lack of depth or the non exclusive contract structure, its just the way he runs things.I remember when strikforce bought elite xc contracts and gina held out (while in hibernation)..And he used the football analogy that summer camp has started and she is no where to be seen..How much do you want to bet that was about refusing to fight cyborg unless her salary matched the mens..Not really a fearless warrior that will take on all comers is she..More like a woman looking for as much as she can get using the cyborg situation to negotiate a new deal probably hoping that coker wouldn't cave in to her lofty demands and she could use that as an excuse not to fight..
All fighters have a choice on who they fight, unless it says specially in the contract that they have to fight a certain person. What is Coker going to do if she said no? Point a gun to her head? Gina held out as long as she did because she wanted to get paid what she's worth. Her EliteXC contracts were crap, and she wanted to renegotiate. Gina was EliteXC's biggest star next to Kimbo, but she didn't even get paid a quarter of what he made. Her pay days were 20,000 a fight. 20,000 May be a lot for some fighters, but not a lot for a household name recognized fighter like Gina.

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All fighters have a choice. What is Coker going to do if she said no? Point a gun to her head? Gina held out as long as she did because she wanted to get paid what she's worth. Her EliteXC contracts were crap, and she wanted to renegotiate. Gina was EliteXC's biggest star next to Kimbo, but she didn't even get paid a quarter of what he made. Her pay days were 20,000 a fight. 20,000 May be a lot for some fighters, but not a lot for a household name recognized fighter like Gina.
You are just repeating what I said, why she held out is obvious like I already stated in the post u quoted..But its the other bit of politics that I am talking about.I dont think she had a choice per se, sure its her free will to sign or not to sign the doted line..But if she had the option to fight cyborg or some 6-3 broad do you really think she would not choose the 6-3 broad..But the option was not given to her because like I said coker wants to make money matches as soon as they're available...We also dont know how many years/fights she has left on her elie xc contract so maybe she has to fulfil that if she wants her raise and if she wants her raise she needs (well needed) to meet cyborg, get the picture..

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Lightbulb Gina's Contract

This a little known fact, but Gina's contract was not one of the contracts bout in the EliteXC buy out. She was picked up in a renegotiated deal. So the contract she has with Strikeforce right now wasn't bout out from EliteXC.
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This a little known fact, but Gina's contract was not one of the contracts bout in the EliteXC buy out. She was picked up in a renegotiated deal. So the contract she has with Strikeforce right now wasn't bout out from EliteXC.
Dude months after the dust had settled from the demise of elite she was doing interviews and everyone was saying "when are we going to see gina" And she replied there is a lot of contract stuff going on I am still actually contractually signed to elite, so I cant do anything right now but once I get that sorted out you will see me fighting" Months after that we hear that strikeforce has absorbed pro elite including all elite xc contracts..So strikeforce did buyout her contract only she used her celebrity and coker's desperation (to make the cyborg fight) to hold out and restructure her contract

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The only thing that no-talent thing did was try and cover her face and turn her back to another fighter lolololol....well that is her only talent really.....
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Angry Wtf?!

Dude, Did You Even Watch The Fight?! Gina Stood And Slugged It Out With Cyborg Multiple Times And Grappled With Her! She Just So Happened To Get Caught And Taken Down At That Last Time! If You Don't Have Anything Constructive To Say About Her Last Fight Then Don't Say Anything At All!!!
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with how Gina fights. She is very skilled in all aspects of MMA and just got overpowered by a roided up she-male. Females cannot build that kind of muscle naturally, it is physically impossible, so before you neg me for telling the truth go do some research.

Gina is the better fighter, Cyborg is the better cheater. She was ugly as hell to begin with so I could see why she would do all those steroids and get herself built like a man, but it's sad that they put her in the same ring as women who still look like women.
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