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Old 09-02-2009, 06:32 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I don't buy the bullshit about him regretting the tattoos. That swastika is tiny, it would be easy to tattoo something over it. The text on his back can't be removed as easily of course, but it wouldn't be nearly as bad without the Nazi flag.

About White Pride vs Black or Brown Pride, yes at a first glance it seems hypocritical to say that they are different, but when I think about it, I can see that there's a difference between a minority or a majority in that sense.

For a minority, "pride" can be seen just as refusing to consider yourself inferior to the majority. But if you express pride in belonging to a majority, it's not really pride in yourself, (because most people around you are just the same), but rather contempt for the few people who don't fit into the norm.

So the smaller the minority of people you are proud not to belong to, the more threatening it will appear to them, and the more fascistic your opinions will appear to a third party. And in Finland you literally have to walk inside an ethnic food restaurant to find someone who is not white, at least outside of the capital.
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Old 09-02-2009, 07:26 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I really dont see the big deal with the White pride tattoo. But the Swastika yeah. Cain Velasquez has Brown Pride on him, so the white pride shouldn't be a big deal.
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A swastika can mean anything if it's only a swastika. It's not like the Nazi's invented that symbol. The swastika is a symbol in Northern Mythologies and in Asian religions for the sun and other sun-related stuff. Combine it with "white pride" though and we have a white supremacist.
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Old 09-02-2009, 08:09 AM   #13 (permalink)
 
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Brown Pride is a known and dangerous gang, even partly being showcased on History Channels "Gangland" when they spoke of the Mexican Mafia prison gang. SO yeah i hafta agree that Brown Pride is pretty offensive. http://askville.amazon.com/teens-con...estId=57007147

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edit to clarrify, not saying that his tattoos are fine and dandy they are pretty idiotic, yet i do think its stupid that white pride is racist yet brown pride is a sign of pride... considering they are a known hispanic gang.
I hardly see how a comparison can be made of gang members killing other gang members and the Nazi extermination of the jews. The Brown Pride gang isn't accused of killing people because they are white but cause they are gang members. If you want to compare a Brown Pride tatoo to a Bloods or Crips tatoo than be my guest but compared to clearly racist symblos and text I don't know how you can't see the difference.

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A swastika can mean anything if it's only a swastika. It's not like the Nazi's invented that symbol. The swastika is a symbol in Northern Mythologies and in Asian religions for the sun and other sun-related stuff. Combine it with "white pride" though and we have a white supremacist.

No, no it cant, maybe a hundred years ago this was true but it has been so closely intertwined with Nazi Germany and the ideals behind ethnic cleansing that there is only one meaning in the modern world. Also the Asian symbol for the sun is not a Swastika it actually goes the other direction and is a mirror image of a Swastika (it goes the wrong way).
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Old 09-02-2009, 09:10 AM   #14 (permalink)
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A swastika can mean anything if it's only a swastika.
Yeah but a red flag with a white circle in the middle, and a black swastika inside the circle rotated 45 degrees, like the one pictured on his shoulder, can only mean one thing.
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This is stupid. If he had a tat that said black pride, people would think that this was a proud man who was happy to display a symbol of hope for his people. But, it says white pride. What the hell is wrong with that? Is there somthing wrong with being proud of your heritage? Im white, and im happy to be white, does that make me a bad guy? if you think it does then you should kiss my ass. Its ok to be proud of your heritage as long as it doesnt involve white people. In that case you should act like you are responsible for slavery. Be super nice to folks that lean on the crutch of racisim, its possible that someone you are related to wasnt very nice many years ago, so all white folks should allow any ethnic folks to be as racist as they want to be and laugh like some huckleberry idiots at every racist remarks anyone of none caucasian descent makes. Im drunk and the bullshit is to much at the moment. Ban me, i dont care, the truth works against the just.

The whole black vs. brown vs. white pride being equal makes sense on the face. However, we have to realize that our society doesn't live in a vaccuum. We aren't just living now, as much as some of us would like to think we are, however, we are very much living in a society and world that has been greatly influenced by our ancestors. Today, we may feel that white pride is just as harmless as brown pride, but the fact is we are living with the consequences that our fellow "white" ancestors made in the past. Brown and Black Pride is not associated with hundred of years of overt racism, oppression, slavery and murder, especially not on a multi-national scale. White Pride is. We all must be conscious of this, because these choices and actions that were so terrible for so many people have made it necessary that we today be sensitive to the way we conduct ourselves.
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No, no it cant, maybe a hundred years ago this was true but it has been so closely intertwined with Nazi Germany and the ideals behind ethnic cleansing that there is only one meaning in the modern world. Also the Asian symbol for the sun is not a Swastika it actually goes the other direction and is a mirror image of a Swastika (it goes the wrong way).
There are still cultures that don't necessarily think of Nazis when they see the swastika. In most parts of the western world it might not be that way, but in Scandinavian art it is still used as a mythological symbol (yes, I know that Scandinavia is part of the Western World). The Asian version doesn't necessarily go the other direction either. The Hindu Swastika goes the same way.

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Yeah but a red flag with a white circle in the middle, and a black swastika inside the circle rotated 45 degrees, like the one pictured on his shoulder, can only mean one thing.
That's true.
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There's a BIG difference between having Brown Pride tattooed on you and having a white pride tattoo..
Umm no..

Im tired of people jumping on whites for being racist yet anyone thats not white gets a pass. Bad life choice? sure but here in America we allow people the freedom to be douchebags.

As for the White, Brown and Black pride and what it means ALL three sayings are a symbol of race and the believe that you need to stand up for that race and all three are racist, I dont care really what someone says to attempt to justify the symbol.

What about the Tango Blast tattoo I saw one one guy? There are a lot of fighters with gang symbols tatted up so if you want to get hard ass on this I would hope you take that on as well.
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Its funny how so many claim to not be racist but are so quick to try and justify the clearly racist views of others or outraged when others are upset by racism..
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Its funny how so many claim to not be racist but are so quick to try and justify the clearly racist views of others or outraged when others are upset by racism..
I'm not outraged by people getting upset by racism, I'm simply tired of people bitching and complaining about some random guys personal beliefs.

Should the guy be banned from his profession because he happens to be a bigot and a racist? Of course not. As Voltaire (a far wiser man than all of us) once said, "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."

If you give this crap air time, it gives it power. If you ignore it, all power is lost.
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Old 09-02-2009, 12:55 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Are they still personal beliefs when he shows it off to the world on TV? By the way his personal beliefs represent Racism, violence and murder to certain people. Think about Bin Laden his "personal beliefs" are to kill as many Americans as possible. Is that ok too? I doubt it. I guess it all depends on who your hatred is directed at..
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