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Old 09-12-2009, 07:33 PM   #21 (permalink)

 
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You mean that no contest against CroCop? He was almost man handling him during that fight!
Man handling Cro Cop hasn't meant a thing since Gonzaga took his head off, go watch the fight it isn't that Overeem looks at all impressive as much as it is that Mirko looks like a beaten up old dog who is scared of his shadow.
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Old 09-12-2009, 08:05 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Question Since Gonzaga

Well since facing Gonzaga, do you realize that Cro Cop has gone undefeated with the exception of this no contest we are talking about?
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Old 09-12-2009, 09:39 PM   #23 (permalink)

 
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Im gonna assume you mean since the Kongo fight that he lost after the Gonzaga fight.
Who has he fought though? Exactly his biggest win was over Al Turk and that should have been a no contest since he won it by eye poke, he hardly looked like a killer and I dont see why anyone would take that fight and think the old Mirko is back.
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Old 09-12-2009, 10:09 PM   #24 (permalink)
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To tell you the truth Toxic, I think Overeem would defeat Monson. He is a well rounded monster. Bad combination. He is a douchebag too, which which makes it an even worse combination.

On the other hand Monson is a grappling monster but other than that he isn't that good. Plus he is too short.
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Monson's striking has drastically improved since he left the UFC, hell he even had Barnett in trouble dropping him during there fight, Monson would take Overeem down and expose his mediocre submission defense with ease. Overeem has been owned by every decent submission grappler he has ever faced and Monson would be one of if not the best. Nog, Arona, Werdum all exposed Overeems weak sub defense, why do you think Overeem doesnt want to "defend" his strikeforce title?
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Monson's striking has drastically improved since he left the UFC, hell he even had Barnett in trouble dropping him during there fight, Monson would take Overeem down and expose his mediocre submission defense with ease. Overeem has been owned by every decent submission grappler he has faced and Monson would be one of if not the best.
True, Monson has improved his striking, but we all know Alistair has MUCH better striking. True, Alistair lost to most to some great grapplers, but you CAN"T compare that Alistair with this one. He is a whole different beast in HW.
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He really hasn't proven to be though, the only diffrence is he hits harder and is fighting a lower level of opponent since Prides demise, I mean is anyone comparing Goodridge and Lee Tae-Hyun to Shogun, Arona and Nog? Im agree Overeem's fight with Badr Hari was very impressive but thats kickboxing not MMA and the MMA community as a whole has allowed that win to cloud there judgement.
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i love jeff monson, but i dont think he'd do very well against today's overeem. the size and reach is just too great, and overeem is a powerful, skilled striker who has finally filled out his grappling game to an acceptable degree. I think it would be worse than monson vs timmay.
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He really hasn't proven to be though, the only diffrence is he hits harder and is fighting a lower level of opponent since Prides demise, I mean is anyone comparing Goodridge and Lee Tae-Hyun to Shogun, Arona and Nog? Im agree Overeem's fight with Badr Hari was very impressive but thats kickboxing not MMA and the MMA community as a whole has allowed that win to cloud there judgement.
OK, but I think his performance against Cro Cop was excellent. A showcase of excellent striking, some wrestling, excellent top control and GnP.
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Personally I though CroCop looked so pathetic in that fight that I find it hard to figure out how much credit Overeem really deserves.
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