you need to start blogging already cornbread. seriously. i'd fu<king read that shit like its never been read before. And i dont even like blogs. i swing strictly in the way of forums.
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Fedor why he'd win and why he didnt get dominated.
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Originally Posted by CornbreadBB
(Brett got a good jab in and I was impressed when he stood up after Fedor took him to the ground. Besides that, Fedor had 2 take downs, a great left, a kimura and an armbar attempt. Yeah, Fedor...was really being dominated........)
I agree 100% with this statement and cant see myself why people see this fight as Fedor getting dominated. The facts are as clear as this Rogers landed a good jab and cut his nose also he landed a few punches in a attempt at G&P. The counter of the speculation that Fedor was getting dominated is this, firstly he out worked Rogers on the feet even though Rogers has got heavy hands. Secondly in the conclusion to the statements about Fedor getting dominated by this G&P is that he wasn't hurt/rocked by the few shots and countered it well with an armbar attempt.
I know many people have become Lesnar fans because hes big and has won a --(FEW)-- (emphasis on the few) fights now. So lets all just get off the lesnar nutthugger bandwagon and do what mma fans are supposed to do which is look at the fight and what will make it good or bad(depending on the eye of the beholder I personally think there should be more grease in mma because greased up men gets me hard). A joke really I dont want more greasing or do I?.
The fight when you think about it will be a great fight as Fedor would whoop some ass stood up and Lesnar is 2 times the size of Fedor so it would be hard for him to stop the take down. Not forgetting Lesnar has got good wrestling although you have got to think about Fedors judo and sambo. It all narrows down to what Fedor could do off the bottom when fighting Lesnar as if he gets on his back he doesnt want to lay there like Mir did. In my opinion although difficult the entire thing comes down to getting back up or transisting to a better position on the floor. Mir didnt do a good job of moving or anything on the floor he wrapped his legs round one of Lesnars and laid there waiting for intercourse.
If it stays stood up Fedor has the better striking and the better chance of knocking Lesnar out. If Fedor gets Lesnar on his back he has a chance to inflict some real damage but it depends on how Lesnar deals with being on his back. If fedor gets taken down by Lesnar he will get some serious G&P so will have to either work a submission which he has proven he can many times off his back. Fedor would have to get off his back to a better position on the ground or get back up which is difficult with somebody as big as Lesnar on you. But with all these contributing factors to this fight with Fedor being well proven off his back and having a stronger striking game. It has to be given to Fedor for the better pick of the two.
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Originally Posted by HCbreaker
nah, what im doing isnt being a smartass, its called having a different opinion from you, but props to you for acting tough because youre an internet forum mod .
You don't get it do you? Im happy to debate the topic with you, but leave the bullshit attitude at the door.
i think people may see rogers dominating because he broke fedor's nose
this may not be true but it is my opinion feel free to disagree but please dont just say thats stupid actually rebut
If fedor fought brock, brock would charge and take him down as we saw with rogers(brock is probably stronger than him)brock would just use brute force to counter and fedor submissions, and from there just beat the hell out of him on the ground, fedor couldnt get up because brock would out wrestle him
just my two cents
i gave the first round to rogers but i wouldnt say he dominated fedor either
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I showed him said door....no room for that here, even with your diplomatic approach....
Hm, nope. but back to topic, i do think that brock has developed that interesting top control that limits movement from bottom. in sharp contrast to coleman's position which creates room. however, i also think mir is not used to fighting off his back, and most likely did not know how to create that space. emelianenko does have that experience in being on bottom and would make that space.
and if he couldnt get the armbar, which i could see happening, he could always grab brock's leg once he started to escape ala mir to either sub him with a kneebar/ankle lock or simply reverse him. however good his top control on lesnar would be is hard to predict, because we havent seen lesnar on his back. all i can say is this is probably the #1 fight i want to see, with mousasi vs machida being a close second!
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Its not really about me being a fan or not its just I get annoyed at people trying to connect point A and B when they aren't even on the same page. Could Fedor knock Lesnar out? Very possible and you would be a fool to argue it couldn't happen but to argue that is is a inevitability is foolish especially if your using the fact he knocked out Rogers to make it. To argue Fedor could armbar Lesnar with ease, well Mir couldnt and infact even when he got one Lesnar powered out (Mir admitted this) considering Mir is a bigger and most likely stronger guy than Fedor I see no reason to believe he couldn't do the same.
I cant see any plausible reason to think that Mir would be stronger than Fedor. Dont think Mir is stronger because he has what 10-20 pounds on him. Watch the way Fedor throws people around compared to Mir. His control of people is just so much better. Fedor is built like a bear no chance Mir is stronger than him. Fedors armbars off his back are second to none at HW. Mir has good BJJ but I cant even compare how much better Fedor is at armbarring people than Mir is.
We can argue all day long but come fight night who is the favorite? Lesnar, as far as betting lines go, would be the underdog. Im sure all the "pro picks" would be favored for Fedor, not overwhelmingly say 60 40 which is what id bet the UFC fantasy poll would be around.
We can gauge Fedors performance against wrestlers since we have seen him fight and WIN against 2 great wrestlers, Coleman and Randleman. Sure you can make the case for Lesnar being the better wrestler quite easily but lightyears ahead of Coleman and Randleman? I dont think so. Randleman was obviously roided to the max in his fight with Fedor, just look at the guy, absolutely shredded can you honestly tell me he at that fight he was not at comparable strength to Lesnar today?
There is probably no man on earth who could survive a prolonged gorilla GnP from Lesnar but every second of the fight Brock is in danger. Obviously they will strike, no way around that, how long they would strike for? No one can say but it will happen-advantage obviously Fedor. The inevitable take down from Lesnar will obviously happen, the way he moved on the ground against Herring was amazing but still he will be in constant danger. Fedor took a flush 10+ power shots from the heavy handed Rogers in his guard. From that position those punches are the hardest sans a full mount clean throttle. Fedor took his hits like the champ he is and threw up a arm bar attempt which woulda locked but his leg hit the cage and Rogers rightfully rolled forward (or was just pushed not sure).
I absolutely love arguing about Fedor and Lesnar, I will not say Fedor is a huge favorite but Fedor all around skillwise is twice the man Lesnar is. Lesnar has his size and strengh but it is nothing that Fedor has already overcame and continues to do so. What im trying to get at is Fedor has been there Lesnar has not.
The thread should be called- never again will you see a sane person say brock is the favorite. Cause if you really think Brock is the favorite then I will just go ahead and call you a dumb UFC hype nancy.
Someone on this forum said and this is 100% true and wish I said it myself.
"If Fedor started in the UFC he would be easily be the most beloved fighter in history"
I would like to publicly laugh at all those assuming Fedor would def armbar Lesnar. Is it a possibility? I guess but he failed to lock in the armbar on Rogers last night and I am sure Lesnar is a stronger, better athlete than the grim. Oh and I love how people try to say Mir isn a top 10 HW when it comes to ground game just because he failed to submit Lesnar in their second fight. People complain about all the Lesnar nuthuggers and Fedor haters but their are more mindlessly biased Brock haters than anything else.
never again will you see a sane person say brock can beat fedor
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