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post #11 of 16 (permalink) Old 11-08-2009, 02:52 AM
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I kinda don't want to see a rematch . Fedor's size is becoming a factor with these new breed HW's that aren't hunking-no-agility-slow-no-skill fighters anymore. Guys the size of Lesnar and Grim are catching up in skill, and all things being equal size wins, especially when giving up 40-50 pounds. I would love for Fedor to fight maybe 3-4 more times and retire. But believe he will get caught very soon just because of the level of comp and his age catching up. Being 220-230 with fat will not do against these 265+ monsters. That doesn't change anything in mind, that Fedor is the baddest mofo ever to wear MMA gloves.

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I kinda don't want to see a rematch . Fedor's size is becoming a factor with these new breed HW's that aren't hunking-no-agility-slow-no-skill fighters anymore. Guys the size of Lesnar and Grim are catching up in skill, and all things being equal size wins, especially when giving up 40-50 pounds. I would love for Fedor to fight maybe 3-4 more times and retire. But believe he will get caught very soon just because of the level of comp and his age catching up. Being 220-230 with fat will not do against these 265+ monsters. That doesn't change anything in mind, that Fedor is the baddest mofo ever to wear MMA gloves.

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I kinda don't want to see a rematch . Fedor's size is becoming a factor with these new breed HW's that aren't hunking-no-agility-slow-no-skill fighters anymore. Guys the size of Lesnar and Grim are catching up in skill, and all things being equal size wins, especially when giving up 40-50 pounds. I would love for Fedor to fight maybe 3-4 more times and retire. But believe he will get caught very soon just because of the level of comp and his age catching up. Being 220-230 with fat will not do against these 265+ monsters. That doesn't change anything in mind, that Fedor is the baddest mofo ever to wear MMA gloves.
100% Co - Sign on this one, was actually thinking about it through this fight. It is really getting to a point where i would prefer Fedor retire with his mystique and be remembered as the greatest Heavyweight ever then continue to fight into his late 30's early 40's and start to get caught by these young agile fighters.

Fedor really is not a heavyweight these days when you are talking about putting him in the ring with guys that way 270+ when they enter the ring.

Although i think Fedor is the real "Natural" when it comes to mma, i mean he can take a big hit, he can get pounded on the ground and keep his head, he can sub as good as anyone, he clearly has heavy enough hands to knock out just about anyone and he has the conditioning to go 5 rounds...

If you watch the way Fedor throws his punch, i would love to learn to hit like that to be train to punch like he does. It is so un-orthodox the way he rolls the punch and generates all his power through his shoulders. It is like the opposite to a boxers punch when they try and plant the rear foot and kind of swivel into it, Fedor just throws his whole body into it.


Unbelievable man, Unbelievable fighter...

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When Grim lost, I thought "either he'll pull a GSP and come back stronger than ever, or get his soul sucked away like so many fighters have losing to Fedor."

I hated the disrespect, but at the same time, I was glad it was the former and not the latter. Rogers is motivated now, and has the finances to train full time. I'm excited for Rogers vs Overeem, Rogers vs Antonio Silva, Rogers vs Lesnar...
Thing is, Rogers had a much better showing than AA or Silvia. Those two we're utterly humiliated. Neither would have done as well on the mat as Rogers seemed to. I hate to say it, but Rogers impressed me. He was far better than I imagined. I have to eat some humble pizza.

Fedor though.... O my lordy. We can talk his skill set till the earth explodes but his demenour... his calmness. Man, that's something you cant prepare for. Time and time again we see him anticipate something and doing exactly what he needs to counter it. Whether being dropped on his head or seeing a slight movement he can pounce on. While his speed might be decreasing ever so slightly, his calmness and focus will only get better.
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Thing is, Rogers had a much better showing than AA or Silvia. Those two we're utterly humiliated. Neither would have done as well on the mat as Rogers seemed to. I hate to say it, but Rogers impressed me. He was far better than I imagined. I have to eat some humble pizza.

Fedor though.... O my lordy. We can talk his skill set till the earth explodes but his demenour... his calmness. Man, that's something you cant prepare for. Time and time again we see him anticipate something and doing exactly what he needs to counter it. Whether being dropped on his head or seeing a slight movement he can pounce on. While his speed might be decreasing ever so slightly, his calmness and focus will only get better.
I agree with all of this, it was the complete opposite of what I expected. I thought on the feet Fedor would be at risk and would need to take it down, and when he did I thought it would be over in seconds.

In fact Fedor looked dangerous from the word go, his speed when he throws them looping bombs is ridiculous. He had already clocked Rogers a couple of times in the first round and had Rogers covering up. Rogers could not handle that sort of speed and power, its a different level of striking to his.

On the ground though, Rogers did good. He dealt some serious punishment when Fedor was trying to line up an armbar then put a stop to it straight away. He avoided the arm triangle too, Fedor was really going for that.

I didn't like Roger's being disrespectful afterwards and talking like he was the man when he'd just been KOd by the best in the world. Complete sore loser, do not like the guy one bit. I said before he was arrogant, and I still thought the same 2 minutes after he'd been KTFO.

The difference between the US and Japan is there are big heavyweights with speed and agility. The Shane Carwin's and Brock Lesnar's pose different problems because they are like super heavyweights. I'm not sure Fedor could deal with Lesnar, but he sure as hell could knock him out if he landed that right hand.

Fedor tried the overhand right a few times, eventually it connected. Rogers did well but Fedor just ends a fight in an instant
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i dont understand how in every single other weightclass, the biggest weight diff come fight night is pretty much about 15 pounds, but in HW, it could be up to 50 pounds.

i really do think there needs to be a super HW division...that being said i understand why there isn't, as there just isnt enough skilled fighters to fill said hypothetical new division.

still. it really frustrates me sometimes.

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