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Old 11-10-2009, 05:22 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Can someone tell me how between Fedor throwing Rogers down multiple times with ease, slamming Rogers with huge rights and lefts to the point where he needs to curl up agains the cage multiple times, knocking him out, and having 2 sub attempts, Dana saw Rogers "smash" Fedor?

There is a fine line between trying to tell UFC fans that Fedor isn't good, and trying to convince these same people that Fedor was "smashed" in that fight. He's either retarded or trying wayyyyyy too hard to pull Fedor's rep down.

I'm going to go with retarded.
I think Dana is just a really good salesman and he knows that since most casual fans still think of MMA as "Ultimate Fighting" and he runs the Ultimate Fighting Championship that they are going to take what he says as gold. The sad thing is that statement is probably at least half true in the aspect that most casual fans are going to think Fedor sucks if Dana White says he does.

Like I said before Dana is probably pissed because almost every MMA fighter on the planet is banging on his door wanting in his organization...just so happens that the one guy that most consider the best in the game doesn't need nor want him.
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Old 11-10-2009, 05:24 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Can someone tell me how between Fedor throwing Rogers down multiple times with ease, slamming Rogers with huge rights and lefts to the point where he needs to curl up agains the cage multiple times, knocking him out, and having 2 sub attempts, Dana saw Rogers "smash" Fedor?

There is a fine line between trying to tell UFC fans that Fedor isn't good, and trying to convince these same people that Fedor was "smashed" in that fight. He's either retarded or trying wayyyyyy too hard to pull Fedor's rep down.

I'm going to go with retarded.
He's a goof man! I never liked that tactic Dana use to use. He use to do the same thing with Wandy, Rampage, and countless others. But come on man! Fedor is considered one if not the P4P king in mma, the best HW MMA fighter in the world, and Dana act's like he's a chump.

The way I see it, he's got no class and can't bring himself to admit there is a fighter who isn't fighting in the UFC and he is "arguably" the best on the planet.

I'd love to see Fedor go to the UFC and smash two guys back to back and leave the company just to shut Dana up and make up look like a major fool!

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I think Dana is just a really good salesman and he knows that since most casual fans still think of MMA as "Ultimate Fighting" and he runs the Ultimate Fighting Championship that they are going to take what he says as gold. The sad thing is that statement is probably at least half true in the aspect that most casual fans are going to think Fedor sucks if Dana White says he does.

Like I said before Dana is probably pissed because almost every MMA fighter on the planet is banging on his door wanting in his organization...just so happens that the one guy that most consider the best in the game doesn't need nor want him.
Good post but I still hate Dana even thoguh I want the UFC a lot lol.
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Old 11-10-2009, 05:33 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Fedor would have his hands full with Lesnar thats for sure. If Brock got on top of him, I dunno if Fedor could get him off. He would def take alot of punishment on the ground, possibly even cause a late stoppage. Fedor would have to keep his distance and keep the fight standing.

Brock would either wear Fedor out and control him on the ground with his 50lb weight advantage and eventually get the stoppage.

Or Fedor would weather Brock's early storm and catch Brock with a few bombs and stop him.

Ive said it for years. The guy that will beat Fedor will be a big strong wrestler with good top control, that can stay out of submissions. Brock Lesnar is that man. I think he is a nightmare matchup for Fedor. I just think Brock's size would be something Fedor wouldnt't be able to overcome.

But does Dana realize what Fedor has done. I dont care who you fight, or how you win. But to have 33 fights and never lose, is RIDICULOUS! For him to mention Frank Mir and Cain Valesquez in the same breathe as Fedor is an insult. Fedor wins fights, and most of them never even get last 2 rounds. The man is usuallly giving up a size advantage in every fight. He is 5'11 230, he is really a LHW that has gone undefeated in 33 HW fights. In my eyes thats why he is p4p the best fighter in the world. Anderson Silva is 6'2 218, and beats up guys that are either smaller than him or are similar in size. That just isnt as impressive as Fedor beating EVERYONE he fights, no matter the size.

I propose a fight between Silva and Fedor to see who is the p4p best fighter at a catchweight of 220.

I just dont want to see Fedor's legacy ruined, if he fights a man 50 pounds heavier than him. Because win or lose against Brock, he is the best p4p fighter ever.
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Fedor would have his hands full with Lesnar thats for sure. If Brock got on top of him, I dunno if Fedor could get him off. He would def take alot of punishment on the ground, possibly even cause a late stoppage. Fedor would have to keep his distance and keep the fight standing.

Brock would either wear Fedor out and control him on the ground with his 50lb weight advantage and eventually get the stoppage.

Or Fedor would weather Brock's early storm and catch Brock with a few bombs and stop him.

Ive said it for years. The guy that will beat Fedor will be a big strong wrestler with good top control, that can stay out of submissions. Brock Lesnar is that man. I think he is a nightmare matchup for Fedor. I just think Brock's size would be something Fedor wouldnt't be able to overcome.

But does Dana realize what Fedor has done. I dont care who you fight, or how you win. But to have 33 fights and never lose, is RIDICULOUS! For him to mention Frank Mir and Cain Valesquez in the same breathe as Fedor is an insult. Fedor wins fights, and most of them never even get last 2 rounds. The man is usuallly giving up a size advantage in every fight. He is 5'11 230, he is really a LHW that has gone undefeated in 33 HW fights. In my eyes thats why he is p4p the best fighter in the world. Anderson Silva is 6'2 218, and beats up guys that are either smaller than him or are similar in size. That just isnt as impressive as Fedor beating EVERYONE he fights, no matter the size.

I propose a fight between Silva and Fedor to see who is the p4p best fighter at a catchweight of 220.

I just dont want to see Fedor's legacy ruined, if he fights a man 50 pounds heavier than him. Because win or lose against Brock, he is the best p4p fighter ever.
good post. But dont just say his size because then you get everybody saying "fedor beat guys as big or BIGGER then brock already"... its alot more then just size, it's his skillset and crazy unheard of athletism and freakish strength all together that make him a unique threat to Fedor and no, Brock isnt comparable to Randleman or Coleman in their primes, he is a different animal, a real life genetic freak. Make no mistake, he always liked to fight even when he was in WWE he still trained wrestling and stand up. Ppl think he is alot greener then he really is in terms of skillset, make no mistake, the only reason Brock Lesnar didnt go to MMA instead of WWE was $, the $ just wasnt there in MMA at the time, its too bad, imagine he started in MMA right outta college???

BTW This post in no way is saying Brock would win or Fedor would win, but i know that Brock is 100% unlike anybody Fedor has ever faced and is only getting better every training session, every round, every fight. Ppl think he is a big SOB but when it comes to learning MMA he is a humble, very hard working guy, he knows his size and strength alone arent enuff to stay at the top, i fully expect him to get some BJJ skills, more confidence in his leg kicks and knees and some better high/low combo takedowns.
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I think Dana is just a really good salesman and he knows that since most casual fans still think of MMA as "Ultimate Fighting" and he runs the Ultimate Fighting Championship that they are going to take what he says as gold. The sad thing is that statement is probably at least half true in the aspect that most casual fans are going to think Fedor sucks if Dana White says he does.

Like I said before Dana is probably pissed because almost every MMA fighter on the planet is banging on his door wanting in his organization...just so happens that the one guy that most consider the best in the game doesn't need nor want him.
^^^THIS^^^
I would add that Dana is using this to try to motivate Fedor, which is a terrible tactic. Dana is a promoter not a businessman, Fank and Lorenzo are the businessmen....being heirs to billions dosnt hurt...


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Fedor would have his hands full with Lesnar thats for sure. If Brock got on top of him, I dunno if Fedor could get him off. He would def take alot of punishment on the ground, possibly even cause a late stoppage. Fedor would have to keep his distance and keep the fight standing.

Brock would either wear Fedor out and control him on the ground with his 50lb weight advantage and eventually get the stoppage.

Or Fedor would weather Brock's early storm and catch Brock with a few bombs and stop him.

Ive said it for years. The guy that will beat Fedor will be a big strong wrestler with good top control, that can stay out of submissions. Brock Lesnar is that man. I think he is a nightmare matchup for Fedor. I just think Brock's size would be something Fedor wouldnt't be able to overcome.

But does Dana realize what Fedor has done. I dont care who you fight, or how you win. But to have 33 fights and never lose, is RIDICULOUS! For him to mention Frank Mir and Cain Valesquez in the same breathe as Fedor is an insult. Fedor wins fights, and most of them never even get last 2 rounds. The man is usuallly giving up a size advantage in every fight. He is 5'11 230, he is really a LHW that has gone undefeated in 33 HW fights. In my eyes thats why he is p4p the best fighter in the world. Anderson Silva is 6'2 218, and beats up guys that are either smaller than him or are similar in size. That just isnt as impressive as Fedor beating EVERYONE he fights, no matter the size.

I propose a fight between Silva and Fedor to see who is the p4p best fighter at a catchweight of 220.

I just dont want to see Fedor's legacy ruined, if he fights a man 50 pounds heavier than him. Because win or lose against Brock, he is the best p4p fighter ever.
I dont think you would see it ruined. I think he is fully capable of working from his back with Brock on top, he tried 2 subs off his back with Rogers thats what makes him so difficult, he is unpredictable and at the same time remarkably calm when he fights...

I think Brock def has the best chance by taking Fedor down and tring to GnP him, i just dont think it will work. Also to say you cannot mention Mir in the same sentence with Fedor is silly. Mir caught Brock with a sub and has hella better Jitz than Fedor and he tapped Brock....I bring Mir up cuz I doubt he could beat Fedor but I think grappling he would give him fits...

Brock doesnt have that skillset, and what he knows he has recently learned....he didn't always train MMA...he would get either K/O'd imo or subbed by Fedor....

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good post. But dont just say his size because then you get everybody saying "fedor beat guys as big or BIGGER then brock already"... its alot more then just size, it's his skillset and crazy unheard of athletism and freakish strength all together that make him a unique threat to Fedor and no, Brock isnt comparable to Randleman or Coleman in their primes, he is a different animal, a real life genetic freak. Make no mistake, he always liked to fight even when he was in WWE he still trained wrestling and stand up. Ppl think he is alot greener then he really is in terms of skillset, make no mistake, the only reason Brock Lesnar didnt go to MMA instead of WWE was $, the $ just wasnt there in MMA at the time, its too bad, imagine he started in MMA right outta college???

BTW This post in no way is saying Brock would win or Fedor would win, but i know that Brock is 100% unlike anybody Fedor has ever faced and is only getting better every training session, every round, every fight. Ppl think he is a big SOB but when it comes to learning MMA he is a humble, very hard working guy, he knows his size and strength alone arent enuff to stay at the top, i fully expect him to get some BJJ skills, more confidence in his leg kicks and knees and some better high/low combo takedowns.
No fighter is 100% like another, but really I think you would be surprised if you saw a fight that is much more likly, and thats NOG vs. Brock....watch Brock take Nog down and lose the fight via sub....shocking, before NOG fought Mir yes, once he came back and fought after....NO!! Def possible NOG could beat Brock and were not even talking Fedor.....cuz you know Fedor beat NOG(that was a war)....

Fedor silenced alot of people...AGAIN..the other night but there are always gonna be people who say what about this guy....

I think if Fedor was the type of guy that got wrapped up in reputation and status he wouldnt be undefeated....
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Nog had his chance if he beat Mir, i would have loved to see it, i think Brock stands a strong chance there aswell. his GnP is alot better then Big Timmys, if Brock got that kind of abuse in on Nog im not sure what will happen, but Lord knows it would be fun to find out!!!
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After those words, I want Fedor to beat Brock and then brutally do the same with White, so his mouth can be finally shut up permanently.
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I think Rogers would take Mir, and Velasquez.

That's besides the point, I really could care less anymore to see the UFC heavyweight champ fight Fedor. I am 100% certain Fedor cannot lose his fights, he is destined to win for some reason, so I could care less who he fights as long as he puts on a show(which he does in every single fight I have seen of his, they are not boring)
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I think Rogers would take Mir, and Velasquez.

That's besides the point, I really could care less anymore to see the UFC heavyweight champ fight Fedor. I am 100% certain Fedor cannot lose his fights, he is destined to win for some reason, so I could care less who he fights as long as he puts on a show(which he does in every single fight I have seen of his, they are not boring)

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