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Old 11-12-2009, 04:46 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Baby Fedor was under Fedors wing?? You sure thats the best place to be?? I rather see Mousasi with a better camp then that tbh i think it would do more for him
I don't know... It seems to be working for Mousasi so far. He seems to just keep growing better and better.

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How does one "easily" dispose of Mr. Henderson?? He doesnt get KO'd so im guessing if its gonna be easy it will be a sub??? I really dont see that happening.

Its weird, 9 out of 10 times ppl side with the legend, Fedor vs Lesnar, Nog vs Cain, Randy vs Vera and cite a million fights that the legend has proven himself in and how this untested up and comer isnt ready etc etc... it feels like Fedor manlove trickling down to Mousasi a lil around here?? He is obv a really great fighter, but check out the resume, nobody close to a dan henderson on there, Sokky seemed to hold his own in that 1st round, Dan wont gas like Sokky tho, i dont think it will be an easy fight for Mousasi and we will really get a gauge of where he is atm at LHW.
Well, I'm not really saying anything like that. I'm just suggesting that the potential is there. I can see Mousasi becoming an elite fighter and even surpassing the levels Henderson himself has reached. Do I think he would win in a fight against Hendo now? I think it depends on Henderson's determination, but assuming he isn't just completely blowing off training, I'll give the edge to Dan for now.


Give it a year or two more though. I think Mousasi will prove himself.


And it's not man love for Fedor. Sure, I like them both, but I don't like Mousasi because I like Fedor. I see something in Mousasi that I just think is worth watching and rooting for. I like Mousasi, I like his heart and I like his style. Do I think he's the best in the world? No. Not currently, but I definitely think he is on his way.

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Old 11-13-2009, 12:38 AM   #22 (permalink)
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And it's not man love for Fedor. Sure, I like them both, but I don't like Mousasi because I like Fedor. I see something in Mousasi that I just think is worth watching and rooting for. I like Mousasi, I like his heart and I like his style. Do I think he's the best in the world? No. Not currently, but I definitely think he is on his way.

Word. I agree. He's basically had two fights at LHW and he's already ranked #6 (mmaweekly) - and that division is stacked.

Two years from now I can't imagine him not being in the top 3, if he keeps on this path.
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Word. I agree. He's basically had two fights at LHW and he's already ranked #6 (mmaweekly) - and that division is stacked.

Two years from now I can't imagine him not being in the top 3, if he keeps on this path.
a undeserved ranking only shows the basis in how rankings are done and towards Fedor, his camp and anybody about to fight Fedor. To say he is the number 6 LHW in any ranking yet hasnt even fought anybody near the top 10 is an insult to my intelligence.

Dan isnt even ranked in the top 10.... but he would be by far the toughest LHW fight of Mousasi's career.
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a undeserved ranking only shows the basis in how rankings are done and towards Fedor, his camp and anybody about to fight Fedor. To say he is the number 6 LHW in any ranking yet hasnt even fought anybody near the top 10 is an insult to my intelligence.

Dan isnt even ranked in the top 10.... but he would be by far the toughest LHW fight of Mousasi's career.
I thought Babalu was top ten when Mousasi smoked his ass? Not sure, but i thought a lot of people had him somewhere between eight and ten.
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a undeserved ranking only shows the basis in how rankings are done and towards Fedor, his camp and anybody about to fight Fedor. To say he is the number 6 LHW in any ranking yet hasnt even fought anybody near the top 10 is an insult to my intelligence.

Dan isnt even ranked in the top 10.... but he would be by far the toughest LHW fight of Mousasi's career.
Ugh... you're being your old self again. I shouldn't even respond to this.

Dan is rated #8 LHW in the world, and only because he's been at MW for so long - where he's ranked #2-3 - depending on where you look.

You really think of all the dozen or so respected independent MMA rankings in the world, they're ALL bias towards specifically Mousasi and Fedor? What reason would they have for this? Give me a break.
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I thought Babalu was top ten when Mousasi smoked his ass? Not sure, but i thought a lot of people had him somewhere between eight and ten.
he did have a decent lil winstreak going, i might stand corrected, not sure if he was ranked, i wouldnt have ranked him for that win streak altho for some reason i like Whitehead.

Rankings in general are bad, like i pointed out with AA and Rogers being ranked... it really helps hype up fights and helps MMA but i dont see how alot of these guys get ranked, its dumbfounding... I do love how you (khoverali) constructed your post to insult me yet didnt answer the main question of my post.... who has Mousasi beaten at LHW to deserve such a very high ranking??

Where is Dan ranked at LHW?? Not where im looking and you said MMAweekly... good point tho!! Trying so hard to make me look foolish, yet you named the site and he isnt ranked on it LOLLOL http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/...d=15&zoneid=15 lol

my real point is just that tho, anybody having Mousasi ranked in the top 10 is a joke 2 me, you dont rank on potential, you ranked on what has been accomplished AT THAT WEIGHT. By the same standards i dont have Anderson Silva in the top 10, altho EVERYBODY does, but how does beating Irvin and Forrest recently warrant that?? Obv he is a top 10 talent there but u rank on accomplishments not potential or what you think he could do.

Anybody having Dan ranked at LHW is insulting the guys actually fighting at LHW. You dont rank for past achievements either.

They need to fix the rankings and get real knowledgeable unbiased ppl to make them.

Now i know Mousasi has the belt in a somewhat popular org... i guess thats why he is ranked undeservedly?? Somewhat like Lesnar?? But at least Lesnars belt has some prestige to it, SF had two MWs fighting for the LHW belt, was very weird imo and now a WW is the MW champ there... so is Shields ranked high at MW now too?? Top 5??

BTW boxing rigged "independent" rankings up all the time to get fighers bigger fights and hype up fights etc etc to think it's an impossible thing to do would be naive, i mean, im not wearing a tin hat over here but either alot of these guys doing the rankings are basing it on different criteria then what i would think or theres something real fishy going on.

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he did have a decent lil winstreak going, i might stand corrected, not sure if he was ranked, i wouldnt have ranked him for that win streak altho for some reason i like Whitehead.

Rankings in general are bad, like i pointed out with AA and Rogers being ranked... it really helps hype up fights and helps MMA but i dont see how alot of these guys get ranked, its dumbfounding... I do love how you constructed my post to insult me yet didnt answer the main question of my post.... who has Mousasi beaten at LHW to deserve such a very high ranking??
Keep in mind, rankings have a lot to do with how
they've dispatched their opponents.
He submitted Kang - a BJJ blackbelt - in the first round by triangle choke.
He TKO'd Musashi in 2 minutes in K1 rules.
Manhoef and Souza didn't make it through the first round or mount any real offense.

Then he totally WALKS through Renato and Mark Hunt (a 280lb HW)in half the time it makes to cook a hot pocket.
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Keep in mind, rankings have a lot to do with how
they've dispatched their opponents.
He submitted Kang - a BJJ blackbelt - in the first round by triangle choke.
He TKO'd Musashi in 2 minutes in K1 rules.
Manhoef and Souza didn't make it through the first round or mount any real offense.

Then he totally WALKS through Renato and Mark Hunt (a 280lb HW)in half the time it makes to cook a hot pocket.
i have no doubt he is likely a top 10 in talent, but his resume doesnt warrant a top 10 ranking, unless we are ranking based on those questionable champions in strikeforce (i mean seriously, a WW that is MW Champ, a MW for most of his career that just moved up is LHW Champ, a LHW that is likely on roids is the HW Champ) then i dont see how disposing of a bunch of unranked guys and Babulu (if he was ranked top 10 at that time, i wouldnt but maybe top 20??). I personally would rank a guy who had Lay n Pray victories over a top 15 and a top 10 then rank a guy tooling mostly unknowns. Thats just how i personally think rankings should work, at the end of the day a W is a W the only time comparison of how ppl finish fights should be brought is, is when two high ranked guys have similar records, both with a big win or 2. JMO and im prob wrong because its obvious thats not how they do it, they do it on who is popular (suddenly anderson TOOLS forrest and he is top 10, but before that getting no love for his boring fights), who is exciting and who they want to promote or have a personal liking for or is generating crazy hype among the hardcore fans.

I dont see a point at being mad at me, this is just my opinion, of course you are entitled to your own, but no need to take anything personal
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he did have a decent lil winstreak going, i might stand corrected, not sure if he was ranked, i wouldnt have ranked him for that win streak altho for some reason i like Whitehead.

Rankings in general are bad, like i pointed out with AA and Rogers being ranked... it really helps hype up fights and helps MMA but i dont see how alot of these guys get ranked, its dumbfounding... I do love how you (khoverali) constructed your post to insult me yet didnt answer the main question of my post.... who has Mousasi beaten at LHW to deserve such a very high ranking??

Where is Dan ranked at LHW?? Not where im looking and you said MMAweekly... good point tho!! Trying so hard to make me look foolish, yet you named the site and he isnt ranked on it LOLLOL http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/...d=15&zoneid=15 lol

my real point is just that tho, anybody having Mousasi ranked in the top 10 is a joke 2 me, you dont rank on potential, you ranked on what has been accomplished AT THAT WEIGHT. By the same standards i dont have Anderson Silva in the top 10, altho EVERYBODY does, but how does beating Irvin and Forrest recently warrant that?? Obv he is a top 10 talent there but u rank on accomplishments not potential or what you think he could do.

Anybody having Dan ranked at LHW is insulting the guys actually fighting at LHW. You dont rank for past achievements either.

They need to fix the rankings and get real knowledgeable unbiased ppl to make them.

Now i know Mousasi has the belt in a somewhat popular org... i guess thats why he is ranked undeservedly?? Somewhat like Lesnar?? But at least Lesnars belt has some prestige to it, SF had two MWs fighting for the LHW belt, was very weird imo and now a WW is the MW champ there... so is Shields ranked high at MW now too?? Top 5??

BTW boxing rigged "independent" rankings up all the time to get fighers bigger fights and hype up fights etc etc to think it's an impossible thing to do would be naive, i mean, im not wearing a tin hat over here but either alot of these guys doing the rankings are basing it on different criteria then what i would think or theres something real fishy going on.

Look at the rankings on here in General MMA. I only mentioned MMAweekly (not even in the same post) before because it was the only ranking that had Mousasi at 6, instead of 7.

And if you think those independent rankings are rigged or something, tell it to Toxic's face?

BTW Mousasi's credentials read as this:

SF LHW champion
Dream Middleweight Champion
Dream MW GP Champion
Cage Warriors MW champion.

He is 27-2 and hasn't lost in nearly four years; he's won thirteen fights in a row.

Just curious... what would your MMA rankings be? Feel free to post every weight class (down to 135 and up to SHW) and why each fighter is where.

I'm extremely curious as to your LHW and HW rankings.


Btw the "unknowns" that Mousasi has tooled are aren't exactly unknown. Jacare was basically undefeated when Mousasi KO'd him in the first round. Manhoef is a big name especially in K1. Musashi was a K1 vet when he beat him in K1 rules. Kang is set to face Bisping on the main card of the next UFC event. And you can't pretend you don't know Cyborg Santos - that dude's a serious baller. TKO rd 1. Babalu and Soko are huge names as well.

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again, why would fights at a different weight affect your ranking another weightclass?? I dont understand how it makes sense. Also, if you are unranked does one top 10 win make you above the guy you beat??
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