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General MMA Discussion Discuss King Of The Cage, Ultimate Challenge UK, and HDNet Fights as well as general mixed martial arts discussion.
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08-25-2008, 03:33 PM
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This is the nutswinger talking, but I think that Minotauro could beat Fedor if he got a 3rd chance, at least I want to see it again.
Other than that... If some really strong wrestler learned REAL jiu jutsu (i.e. he does a lot of no strength grappling so he doesn't learn to use his size and strength too much, He focuses at submissions as well as positions and even learns back control, guard (top and bottom) and leglocks) then that guy would heve a chance. Think a 230-265 pound Ricardo Arona, Palhares or Paulo Filho with even better all around wrestling and good (GOOD) standup defence (i.e. knows how to defend and clinch up so he doesn't get KO'd).
Another "Fedor" type of guy who is good at a lot of things, that is 
Or maybe CC in his prime if he had more aggressive striking. Fedor totally exposed his somewhat passive game.
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08-25-2008, 03:53 PM
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Light Heavyweight
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Originally Posted by GKY
Fedor is the best Sambo practitioner for multiple years running. That simply wouldn't work.
P.S. Wrong section
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OOps sorry about section 
I'm not saying get better than Fedor at Sambo, but if you're fighting A.Silva you get a kickboxing coach just to defend against it, whoever faces Fedor doesn't need a sambo coach to be better than Fedor at Sambo, but to defend against sambo moves.
Lindland said he'd never seen an armbar like that but Fedor said it was just the normal sambo armbar for example. |
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08-25-2008, 04:13 PM
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I would give Barnett a 30-35% chance to win.
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08-25-2008, 04:43 PM
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You mean Lesnar in 2 years.
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08-25-2008, 04:53 PM
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A larger, explosive fighter with good enough stand-up to create takedown opportunities and an excellent submission game could pose problems to Fedor.
I think Barnett has a better chance than anyone out there, but even then I'd still pick Fedor to win. How can you bet against him?
It's very hard to bet against guys like Fedor, GSP and Silva, especially when they're so far ahead of the guys in their respective weight-classes.
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08-25-2008, 05:01 PM
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Barnett is good, but I truly think he will lose to Fedor.
I think the guy that will beat Fedor (and everyone else in the division in a few years) will be Shane Carwin. With a little more submission defense no one (including Lesnar if anyone is going to mention him) will stand a good chance.
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08-25-2008, 05:12 PM
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Flyweight
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Cuts due to elbows lol. That's the only way I see Fedor losing.
Fedor is a cyborg but cuts like the wind.
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08-25-2008, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by name goes here
A sambo coach. As far as I know no fighter has done that, assuming that some jiujitsu and boxing will do it for them. It seems to me nobody facing him has taken sambo seriously as it's own legitimate martial art that belongs in the ring/cage and is worth learning. For that reason they have little defense for a lot of the things Fedor does. Sambo armbars aren't like bjj armbars, the striking is different etc
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What do you think it will take?
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Firstly, this thread has been moved to the Affliction section. There's a reason why we divided this forum up into sections.
As far as what it will take to beat Fedor, I've talked about this pretty extensively, and the truth is, it's not really a matter of the training leading up to the fight, it's got way more to do with background.
A sambo fighter is not going to beat Fedor. We're talking about a guy who's #1 ranking impossible to dispute in that sport, too. You're not going to beat Xande Ribiero or Marcelo Garcia or Roger Gracie with a crash course in BJJ, and it's stupid to pretend like you can.
The fighter who's going to beat Fedor is going to have a game that's weird, and he's going to have to be better than Fedor at something.
My pick for a real fighter: Barnett, because catch wrestling is a different kind of game, different than Fedor is used to competing against. He's not necessarily better than Fedor on the ground, but he could make something happen.
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08-25-2008, 05:34 PM
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Featherweight
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Originally Posted by steveo412
Cmon as good as Lesnar could become, Fedor has and always will eat wrestlers for breakfast. I think the only way would be a really awesome striker with unstoppable takedown defense. But I trualy dont think there is anyone who can stuff Fedor all night. I would say best strategy is to just sharpen up those elbows.
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Fedor hasn't fought as big, strong and talented wrestler as Brock yet. A guy like Brock with 2-3 years of BJJ & submission defense training is what I would send against Fedor. And simply grind a decision win or possibly cut him with G&P.
Plan B would be guy like Liddell. Fedor himself is pretty awesome striker too, so it would have to be a heavy hitting counterpuncher with good TDD like Liddell is. As mentioned above Mirko did pretty well vs. Fedor, and specially if fight would be in cage instead of ring I could totally see Liddell doing it. |
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08-25-2008, 05:40 PM
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True Grappler
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Originally Posted by Diokhan
Fedor hasn't fought as big, strong and talented wrestler as Brock yet. A guy like Brock with 2-3 years of BJJ & submission defense training is what I would send against Fedor. And simply grind a decision win or possibly cut him with G&P.
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Mark Coleman is only a little smaller, and Fedor submitted him like he was a ten year old school girl (and afterwards, he cried like one).
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Plan B would be guy like Liddell. Fedor himself is pretty awesome striker too, so it would have to be a heavy hitting counterpuncher with good TDD like Liddell is. As mentioned above Mirko did pretty well vs. Fedor, and specially if fight would be in cage instead of ring I could totally see Liddell doing it.
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Um... Fedor fought Tim Sylvia, struck with him, and knocked him out (even though he finished with the submission).
Also, with Fedor it's not a matter of shot-defense. It has to be someone who's got a world class clinch game, and there's nobody with that level of clinch game that can stand with Fedor.
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What it will take to beat Fedor
