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post #21 of 57 (permalink) Old 08-25-2008, 07:15 PM
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His clinch game is unmatchable though. He is just way to strong fast and explosive.

I heard Shane Carwins name thrown up there as a future contendor and I dont disagree. The guy probably weighs 280 on fight day, of pure wrestling muscle. I believe he is a purple belt in JJ, and a very fast learner. But the main reason why I think he could pose a threat is because holy
f-ck can that guy throw a punch. Ya sure hes a wrestler but in his last fight that one punch KO he through almost knocked me out watching it, probably one of the hardest punches I have ever seen and thrown with good timing and clean right on the button.

Do I think he could beat Fedor? Probably not but in 2 years or so I think he will have just as good a chance as anyone. But lets see him face a good sub guy like Nog, Werdum or even Gonzaga before jumping to conclusions, cause for all we know his sub d could be awesome, seeing how he KOs/TKOs everyone before they have a chance to fight.
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Mark Coleman is only a little smaller, and Fedor submitted him like he was a ten year old school girl (and afterwards, he cried like one).
He is quite a bit smaller actually. Lesnar cuts down from 280 pounds, Coleman is about 220-230 pounds like Fedor I believe (someone correct me if Im wrong), so the strenght difference wasn't as obvious as it would be with Lesnar, who is also by far more agile than Coleman. Either way Coleman got subbed by Fedor twice, which is why I said Lesnar would need couple years of sub defense training too so he wont get armbarred after tossing first hammerfirst down at Fedor.

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Um... Fedor fought Tim Sylvia, struck with him, and knocked him out (even though he finished with the submission).
Sylvia is way too slow in my opinion, I bet Liddell, Silva (actually both Wandy and Spider) and Shogun would finish him about as efficiently as Fedor did. I found whole Fedor-Sylvia fight to be a waste of time to begin with really.
Either way I mentioned it would have to be a quick counter puncher like Liddell.
Comparing Liddell with Sylvia makes no sense at all really because their styles are way difference, and Sylvia's slow movement combined with bad TDD and sub defense leaves way too many holes in his game against guys like Fedor, Nog, Randy and even Mir like we saw.

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Also, with Fedor it's not a matter of shot-defense. It has to be someone who's got a world class clinch game, and there's nobody with that level of clinch game that can stand with Fedor.
Wandy comes into my mind first. Infact Wandy-Fedor in a ring could be very entertaining fight to see if Wandy decided to move to HW for some reason and packed a 20 or so extra pounds of muscles.

Anyway Im just tossing possible ideas & names here. I don't think there is fighter Fedor wouldn't be the favourite against right now, but the guys I listed would in my opinion have pretty good chances to do it.
Also Fedor himself seems to be interested about fighting Lesnar in the future:
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Diokhan lol dude, Coleman cuts from around 250+, he's a lean fighter, especially back in his prime.
Yes sylvia can be slow, but effective and he does have a strong striking game. I'm sorry but wandy/shogun/liddel/silva would not beat Timmy. Tim sylvia also has some strong take down defence, watch his last fight with nog, granted nog doesn't have the greatest of takedowns. But tim stuffs them for quite a while before innevitably being subbed.
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post #26 of 57 (permalink) Old 08-25-2008, 11:21 PM
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Wandy comes into my mind first. Infact Wandy-Fedor in a ring could be very entertaining fight to see if Wandy decided to move to HW for some reason and packed a 20 or so extra pounds of muscles.
That wouldn't bode well for Wanderlei to be honest because he was in that position when he fought Cro Cop the second time. In fact he weighed MORE than Cro Cop in that fight, and he was slowed down as a result of the extra muscle weight he had put on, leading him to get picked apart by the quicker HW fighter.

I love Wandy as much as the next MMA fan, but Fedor would take him down and beat him to a pulp.
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He is quite a bit smaller actually. Lesnar cuts down from 280 pounds, Coleman is about 220-230 pounds like Fedor I believe (someone correct me if Im wrong),
Coleman walks around close to 270 pounds, and ends up around 250 at fight time.

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so the strenght difference wasn't as obvious as it would be with Lesnar, who is also by far more agile than Coleman. Either way Coleman got subbed by Fedor twice, which is why I said Lesnar would need couple years of sub defense training too so he wont get armbarred after tossing first hammerfirst down at Fedor.
Coleman had years of submission defense training, and he still got tapped like he was a ten year old girl.

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Sylvia is way too slow in my opinion, I bet Liddell, Silva (actually both Wandy and Spider) and Shogun would finish him about as efficiently as Fedor did. I found whole Fedor-Sylvia fight to be a waste of time to begin with really.
Either way I mentioned it would have to be a quick counter puncher like Liddell.
You think Shogun and Chuck would finish Tim Sylvia the way that Fedor did?

I don't even feel like I should explain that.


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Comparing Liddell with Sylvia makes no sense at all really because their styles are way difference, and Sylvia's slow movement combined with bad TDD and sub defense leaves way too many holes in his game against guys like Fedor, Nog, Randy and even Mir like we saw.
I agree. Comparing Liddell and Sylvia makes no sense. Sylvia is six inches taller and 60 pounds heavier.

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Wandy comes into my mind first. Infact Wandy-Fedor in a ring could be very entertaining fight to see if Wandy decided to move to HW for some reason and packed a 20 or so extra pounds of muscles.
Ummm... you know that Wanderlei is a small 205? He can cut to 185 if he wants to.

That size difference is huge.


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Anyway Im just tossing possible ideas & names here. I don't think there is fighter Fedor wouldn't be the favourite against right now, but the guys I listed would in my opinion have pretty good chances to do it.
Also Fedor himself seems to be interested about fighting Lesnar in the future:
http://www.mmabay.co.uk/Story%20Fedo...ghtLesnar.html
Notice that Fedor qualified that statement with "in the future." I don't think even Fedor believes that Lesnar, the way he's been training now, will ever be able to beat him.

Lesnar beat Heath Herring badly. That's the truth. But Fedor decimated Heath. The level of explosiveness we saw from Fedor in that fight is something that we've not seen from Lesnar. The way he hits guys make Lesnar look like a Special Olympics boxer (or one of the guys on this years US Olympic team).

That fight is a non-fight.



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I'm as big a Fedor nuthugger as anyone
But:
Fedor's clinch is awesome because no one trains to defend the judo(Sambo) throws, they just train to defend wrestling takedowns.
Fedor's striking is so awesome because no one trains to defend against that style of punching (like Igor used to have too), they train boxing or kickboxing, and so Fedor goes around their gaurd.
Fedor's armbars are awesome because they are different from the bjj armbar and people are generally in the dark as to how to defend against it.

Also a figher either needs to really be aggressive and pressure Fedor, or I think Mirko actually did well by fighting elusively and backing away a lot.
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Why the hell would you want a sambo coach? It's not like you are gonna out-sambo the guy. Heh. Someone will land a lucky punch/kick one day and give him his first true lost. He's not getting any younger. Right now, I only see Lesnar as a possible foil to Fedor, years into the future though.
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