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#1 · (Edited)
What do ya'll think of that MA? I mean, obviously you can't use it in MMA tournaments, mostly because most of it's moves are fatal, but can you actually be able to effectively use them in real life?
I watched a Fight Science clip showing some ninjitsu, and damn, does it look cool. It would be nice to be able to have near-perfect balance...and to know where certain nerves are located in the body, and how to get to them in a real fight...

YouTube - Nat Geo Fight Science (Part 4)
YouTube - Nat Geo Fight Science (Part 5)

That's the two parts. The beginning of the first link has nothing to do with the ninjitsu stuff. Just go through all the parts to watch the entire documentary. According to Fight Science, Ninjitsu is the "ultimate art"...I don't know if I should believe that, since they didn't really take into consideration every MA that wasn't mentioned on the show...lol.

Thanks, all comments are appreciated.

EDIT:
I thought I'd throw in one more question. :p
What about Krav Maga? I've heard it was a great street defense MA, but it's not too good against another experienced MA practitioner...exactly how effective is this MA? Thanks in advance.
 
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#3 ·
I don't remember which UFC it was, but one of the really early ones featured a fighter who practiced ninjitsu. I don't remember it too well, but I think he won his opening bout, then got his ass whooped in the next.
 
#5 ·
I like that samurice. :laugh:

Ninjitsu just doesn't make sense to me. Like when he does that death punch he uses the side of his hand. I don't understand why you wouldn't use your fist, you would get much more power. His balance was incredible though. I do not really know much about Ninjitsu, but to be honest I think it is really a waste of time because you practice so many different things that you can't even train on with a real person so you never know if it is going to work. And it would really suck if you got a knife pulled on you and you tried the death punch only to realize it doesn't really work.

As for Krav Maga, from what I understand it is a street self defense place that trains CIA agents and special forces trainers and whatnot. It seems most of their stuff is what to do when you get a knife or gun pulled on you and such, so it is not really a martial art as much as just self defense training. Bas Rutten mentions them a lot in is Lethal Street Fighting Self Defense System video, and the few things he says he learned from them seem pretty effective.
 
#6 ·
Ninjitsu was featured in UFC 2, and the guy got pummled the second match he was in.

The thing is that in many martial arts there are things that can't be done to live people because it could severely injure (or kill) the other person so you don't get to practice that, this is not only present in Ninjitsu. I took some Hapkido and we were taught strikes but we were never allowed to try them out on somebody (some of them) so what's the difference if you have a strike in Ninjitsu that you can't practice than if you have a strike from Hapkido you can't practice? You just shadow the strike and are taught where to apply the strike and hope that if you ever have to apply it in real life (which is incredibly rare, unless you're one of those people who looks for trouble since you're trained in a martial art) you get it right.

Also, Krav Maga is a martial art, just not a traditional martial art. It is the hand-to-hand combat system of the Israeli military and it can be very effective. It is a self-defense art so there are groin strikes and all that, it's crazy, but whatever works, works.
 
#7 ·
This thread reminded me of a funny thing involving this Ninjitsu guy that came to our MMA class.

He thought he was so tough, was going to beat us all up, etc etc. So he gets taken down by the instructor as they were sparring. Instructor slaps an armbar on him. He says "well I could get out but it would hurt you", our instructor says "go for it". Ninja boy sticks his finger into our instructor's throat and applies pressure, so our instructor applies more pressure on the armbar. Our instructor says "you are right that is annoying but if you don't stop I will break your arm". LOL Ninja boy never came to class again he was too embarressed.

I am not making fun of Ninjitsu, just telling a funny story about a Ninja wannabe.
 
#8 ·
Trainee said:
What do ya'll think of that MA? I mean, obviously you can't use it in MMA tournaments, mostly because most of it's moves are fatal, but can you actually be able to effectively use them in real life?
I watched a Fight Science clip showing some ninjitsu, and damn, does it look cool. It would be nice to be able to have near-perfect balance...and to know where certain nerves are located in the body, and how to get to them in a real fight...

YouTube - Nat Geo Fight Science (Part 4)
YouTube - Nat Geo Fight Science (Part 5)

That's the two parts. The beginning of the first link has nothing to do with the ninjitsu stuff. Just go through all the parts to watch the entire documentary. According to Fight Science, Ninjitsu is the "ultimate art"...I don't know if I should believe that, since they didn't really take into consideration every MA that wasn't mentioned on the show...lol.

Thanks, all comments are appreciated.

EDIT:
I thought I'd throw in one more question. :p
What about Krav Maga? I've heard it was a great street defense MA, but it's not too good against another experienced MA practitioner...exactly how effective is this MA? Thanks in advance.
Krav Maga is bull shit a bunch of people from bjj told me about how stupid that shit i pray to god u r not thinking about going to that shit
 
#9 ·
ozz525 said:
Krav Maga is bull shit a bunch of people from bjj told me about how stupid that shit i pray to god u r not thinking about going to that shit
You can't fairly compare MMA or Bjj to Krav Maga. Not the same thing.

Krav Mage is meant only as selfdefence to be taught "fast" and to an army. Well it was started as training for the Israel army, now people are training in it as selfdefence. It was never intended to fight in MMA competitions.

Comparing MMA or BJJ to KM is like comparing a PPK pistol to M60 machine gun. Both kill but both were invented with totally different things in mind.

KM, MMA and Bjj are all good just depends what your needs are.
 
#11 · (Edited)
Ninja boy sticks his finger into our instructor's throat and applies pressure, so our instructor applies more pressure on the armbar.
Well, I think maybe the real move is to shove it in quick, lol. I mean, I don't know how many people are actually able to accurately hit the right spots really quickly in a real fight, but I think that's the idea, lol. The "ninja" must've felt like a total idiot, lmao, kudos to your instructor. :D
Krav Maga is bull shit a bunch of people from bjj told me about how stupid that shit i pray to god u r not thinking about going to that shit
Lol, yeah I was thinking of taking some when I got a little better at Muay Thai, BJJ, Boxing and Karate, which I just started taking (I actually started Karate a while ago. The rest are new to me). I thought I might take ninjitsu and krav maga one day when I get better at the other MAs I take...to try and become a more complete fighter.
Bas Rutten mentions them a lot in is Lethal Street Fighting Self Defense System video, and the few things he says he learned from them seem pretty effective.
Yeah, I watched most of that vid. I still have a little more to complete, but what I saw was pretty cool. Rutten is one funny dude. lol.

So what I'm gathering from you guys is that
1. Krav Maga is good for the street, but pretty shitty in MMA. I really want to take this, because there's no point in training to fight when you can't really apply your training in a no-rules situation.
2. Ninjitsu is good in that you can learn some important stuff from it, but as a combat system, it's pretty useless.

Then why on earth did Fight Science call it the "ultimate art"? :\
 
#13 ·
Trainee said:
So what I'm gathering from you guys is that
1. Krav Maga is good for the street, but pretty shitty in MMA. I really want to take this, because there's no point in training to fight when you can't really apply your training in a no-rules situation.
2. Ninjitsu is good in that you can learn some important stuff from it, but as a combat system, it's pretty useless.

Then why on earth did Fight Science call it the "ultimate art"? :\
Honestly, if you have trained in individual arts (such as BJJ and Muay Thai, instead of training in "MMA" or "Freestyle") you shouldn't need to take Krav Maga to defend yourself in the street. MMA can be effective in the streets, it just isn't as easy to learn as Krav Maga, and if you already know how to strike and how to grapple, the only thing you would really need to learn for self-defense is disarming somebody when they have a weapon but you don't need Krav Maga for that, there are tons of arts that teach that. It isn't hard to adapt MMA to the streets, just do what you normally wouldn't be allowed to (eye gouges, groin shots, etc.) and like I said, if you've trained in striking and grappling arts separate you should be able to hold your own out there.
 
#14 ·
All this ninjutsu death strike stuff, and shoa lin animal style, is a bunch of garbage. It is asian movie hype bullshit, and shame on you guys for actually buying into it at all. Wow, I am at a loss that some of you actually believe this crap. I took Shao Lin Kung Fu, it is all a bunch of crap. The best thing they taught us was balance, conditioning, and how to get out of being grappled. Sure they taught us tiger style and all that BS, but none of it would work in a real fight. You can put money on that.
 
#15 ·
It is asian movie hype bullshit, and shame on you guys for actually buying into it at all. Wow, I am at a loss that some of you actually believe this crap.
Sorry, man. I actually thought ninjitsu was bullshit until I saw this documentary. I mean, if scientists say it, it has to be true, right? Lol.
But yeah, I'll keep your words in mind. Thanks.
 
#16 ·
It is bull shit. It won't work in a fight and I pray for anyone who tries to use it in a life or death situation. It is possible that someone who trains in Ninjitsu would be a great fighter but that wouldn't have anything to do with the system. It teaches you good balance and some cool moves but so does gymnastics. It is about as effective in a fight.
 
#17 ·
I never saw anything resembling ninjitsu in Horn's fights. He is a good grappler but I'm not sure exactly how his ninjitsu background really means much compared to five+ years with Miletich in it's heyday in terms of how he fights.
 
#18 ·
never dismiss any actual martial art... just because it's not for you, does not mean it's not effective.

i took 6 months of TKD and 6 months of TSD and HATED every day of it; it felt weak, if looked weak, if felt weak doing it. however either of their black belts are serious destroyers and i respect that even if i do not like those styles.

i enjoy my Leopard Style Shoulin Kenpo; if other decide that it is not their cup of tea, so be it.

if these styles were not effective they would not be around after hundreds of years.
 
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