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Old 12-08-2009, 07:48 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I am so glad that the UFC chose not to Co-Promote. This is way too controlling and pretty ridiculous to be honest. I mean, why would they both have to fight at the same time? What does that have to do with anything at all?
Im glad M1 didnt co-promote, they have got nothing to offer Fedor either in terms of viewership or competition. The UFC has a very weak HW, their best is Nog which Fedor has beaten to a pulp three times, their champion has a garbage 4-1 record, and their ex champion is already 46 years old and should be in a nursing home.


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Three main points explained by Fedor were:

1)He can't quit the UFC until he looses.

2)His salary would be totally controlled by the UFC and can be easily cut to any value if UFC decides his performance was "poor" without any strict criteria what "poor" really mean. By other words UFC would pay him so few as they want refering to that point of contract.

3)He can fight only in the UFC and has no right to fight anywhere else including amateur sambo competitions. That means that Fedor will have to wait for his next fight as so long as Dana wants, no matter how long it takes.

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Ain't that the co-promotion with M1 thing. Any event with Fedor on is co-promoted with M1, so I'm assuming that M1 fighters have to fight on the same night which is funny considering Mousasi fought Sobral before there was even talk about Fedor signing with SF. To be honest that clause SUCKS, what the hell? Dana was right about M1, they're such assholes.
Im assuming that Gegard can fight on other promotions to fill in the gaps. As for the M1-Strikeforce tie ups, well its great that Gegard and Fedor fight together at least each show has several top class fighters. Its obvious that Strikeforce/M1 are after QUALITY......not just QUANTITY as with the UFC.

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Old 12-08-2009, 08:09 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Why would Mousasi agree to this? This is stupid, so much for being your own man.
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Im assuming that Gegard can fight on other promotions to fill in the gaps. As for the M1-Strikeforce tie ups, well its great that Gegard and Fedor fight together at least each show has several top class fighters. Its obvious that Strikeforce/M1 are after QUALITY......not just QUANTITY as with the UFC.
Yeah very true, at least we'll get to see him in K1 action at the Dynamite card.
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Of course because M-1 would want Strikeforce to co-promote and Fedor is not worth the hassle never mind Mousasi, M-1 are the worst thing to happen to MMA in years.

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Im glad M1 didnt co-promote, they have got nothing to offer Fedor either in terms of viewership or competition. The UFC has a very weak HW, their best is Nog which Fedor has beaten to a pulp three times, their champion has a garbage 4-1 record, and their ex champion is already 46 years old and should be in a nursing home.


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Three main points explained by Fedor were:

1)He can't quit the UFC until he looses.

2)His salary would be totally controlled by the UFC and can be easily cut to any value if UFC decides his performance was "poor" without any strict criteria what "poor" really mean. By other words UFC would pay him so few as they want refering to that point of contract.

3)He can fight only in the UFC and has no right to fight anywhere else including amateur sambo competitions. That means that Fedor will have to wait for his next fight as so long as Dana wants, no matter how long it takes.
Lets ignore the fact that Fedor was offered the largest guaranteed contract in MMA history (meaning his performance was meaningless) and that the UFC was willing to allow Fedor to compete in Sambo that has been said over a thousand times why do people still argue that it is an issue, M-1 is the issue just like this stupid crap with Mousasi having to be on the same card as Fedor.
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Old 12-08-2009, 09:32 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Of course because M-1 would want Strikeforce to co-promote and Fedor is not worth the hassle never mind Mousasi, M-1 are the worst thing to happen to MMA in years.



Lets ignore the fact that Fedor was offered the largest guaranteed contract in MMA history (meaning his performance was meaningless) and that the UFC was willing to allow Fedor to compete in Sambo that has been said over a thousand times why do people still argue that it is an issue, M-1 is the issue just like this stupid crap with Mousasi having to be on the same card as Fedor.


Wow, M-1 is the worst thing to happen to MMA in years? Yeah, Mousasi vs Soko sucked, Rogers vs Fedor was two cans, the upcoming Fedor vs Barnett is for the birds, the Fedor exhibition matches were garbage...

And Fedor was guaranteed the largest contract in MMA history? Where did you read that, foxnews?

In an interview Fedor stated that if UFC's offer was anywhere near the 6-fight 30 million dollar offer they would have signed it instantly - that rumor was debunked completely.

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The contract was also indefinite if Fedor won the title - Fedor would not legally be allowed to leave the UFC undefeated.


It was a stupid contract, blown up and hyped by the media, disrespectfully proposed by the master of disrespect, and Fedor didn't need it. IMO Rogers and Overeem have the best stylistic chance of beating Fedor anyway so who cares.
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Old 12-08-2009, 10:03 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Wow, M-1 is the worst thing to happen to MMA in years? Yeah, Mousasi vs Soko sucked, Rogers vs Fedor was two cans, the upcoming Fedor vs Barnett is for the birds, the Fedor exhibition matches were garbage...
M-1 global and blah blah blah present, Co-promotion limits where and when Fedor and obviously Mousasi can compete so don't act like the UFC is the devil, you do realize if Fedor blew his knee out and had to get surgery Mousasi could be sidelined by this M-1 bullshit for a year or more?
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And Fedor was guaranteed the largest contract in MMA history? Where did you read that, foxnews?

In an interview Fedor stated that if UFC's offer was anywhere near the 6-fight 30 million dollar offer they would have signed it instantly - that rumor was debunked completely.
It was widely reported as by far the largest contract in UFC history, hmm pretty sure that would top anybody elses contract anywhere, do you realize the kind of money Chuck Liddell was bringing in?


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The contract was also indefinite if Fedor won the title - Fedor would not legally be allowed to leave the UFC undefeated.
This is a misconception because the UFC has a champions clause, pretty simple solution, you can fight for the UFC without fighting for the title, people refuse fights all the time, may hurt your bargaining power for your net contract but they don't make your fight for the title.

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It was a stupid contract, blown up and hyped by the media, disrespectfully proposed by the master of disrespect, and Fedor didn't need it. IMO Rogers and Overeem have the best stylistic chance of beating Fedor anyway so who cares.
Says who? Seeing as Fedor never even met with the UFC (only M-1 did) I find anything he has to say on the topic useless information seeing as M-1 blatantly lied to Mousasi about a low ball UFC offer (Joe Silva said no contract was ever offered to Mousasi due to his involvement with the EA MMA game). So basically since its already been exposed that M-1 blatably lies to the fighters they represent what makes you so sure Fedor even knows what the offer actually was?

EDIT: I gotta continue my rant cause the whole pay issue bugs me especially because people use numbers like Arlovski's huge Affliction pay day to make there case but the problem is Affliction was the sponsorship and the promoter wrapped into one, and on top of that while the main even guys in a UFC PPV get a cut of the buys this isn't something that any agent worth his salt is gonna accept from an upstart MMA company so instead of a PPV% it made more sense to demand a set rate that much higher instead, if Afflcition did 900,000 it would have worked out way better for them but since they did a hundred and some thousand Arlvoski laughed his ass to the bank and Afflicition closed its doors.
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Old 12-08-2009, 10:46 PM   #18 (permalink)
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M-1 global and blah blah blah present, Co-promotion limits where and when Fedor and obviously Mousasi can compete so don't act like the UFC is the devil, you do realize if Fedor blew his knee out and had to get surgery Mousasi could be sidelined by this M-1 bullshit for a year or more?
I dont think you understand what everyone has been saying here. Gegard cant fight in Strikeforce without Fedor as per his contract. HOWEVER he is still able to fight for other tournaments and co-promote with other organisations.

This is far better than the UFC where they are only ALLOWED to fight with other UFC fighters.

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It was widely reported as by far the largest contract in UFC history, hmm pretty sure that would top anybody elses contract anywhere, do you realize the kind of money Chuck Liddell was bringing in?
Again the sum has been proven false. Fedor and his management has already debunked this rediculous rumour, there is even a video interview of this.


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This is a misconception because the UFC has a champions clause, pretty simple solution, you can fight for the UFC without fighting for the title, people refuse fights all the time, may hurt your bargaining power for your net contract but they don't make your fight for the title.
Now this is just rediculous. Imagine Fedor beating everyone in the division, yet still not a legitimate belt champion? What sort of paper belt do the UFC have? No wonder Henderson left.

[quote]Says who? Seeing as Fedor never even met with the UFC (only M-1 did) I find anything he has to say on the topic useless information seeing as M-1 blatantly lied to Mousasi about a low ball UFC offer (Joe Silva said no contract was ever offered to Mousasi due to his involvement with the EA MMA game).[quote]

Fedor hired a management team to do these sort of things, why should Fedor go to America? Why shouldnt Dana go to Russia for once?

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So basically since its already been exposed that M-1 blatably lies to the fighters they represent what makes you so sure Fedor even knows what the offer actually was?
Again see the Dan Henderson issue and how Dana/UFC lied to him about a title shot. Dana and the UFC are not very honest and frankly I find Fedor/M1 far more honest.

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UFC is really only relevant in America, in Russia its close to non existant. Other fighters are desperate and not in the same situation as Fedor. Fedor owns 20% of M1 and has the best record as well as being the most respected fighter in MMA (apart from noobs).
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I dont think you understand what everyone has been saying here. Gegard cant fight in Strikeforce without Fedor as per his contract. HOWEVER he is still able to fight for other tournaments and co-promote with other organisations.

This is far better than the UFC where they are only ALLOWED to fight with other UFC fighters.
And you see nothing wrong with Mousasi's contract?
I'm pretty sure every single fighter on the UFC's roster is independant of each others though,.


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Again the sum has been proven false. Fedor and his management has already debunked this rediculous rumour, there is even a video interview of this.
Its been debunked by people who flat out lie to to there own clients, Dana has said it was the largest contract ever offered by the UFC and Im pretty confident that much is true even if the exact number is exagerated.



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Now this is just rediculous. Imagine Fedor beating everyone in the division, yet still not a legitimate belt champion? What sort of paper belt do the UFC have? No wonder Henderson left.
That's Fedor's problem, the championship clause only makes sense, are you forgetting what BJ did?

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Fedor hired a management team to do these sort of things, why should Fedor go to America? Why shouldnt Dana go to Russia for once?
What kind of stupid ass crap is this? Seriously when was the last time an employer came to your house for a job interview? How much special treatment do you think Fedor deserve? Where does Dana draw the line then does he fly out to see BJ Penn? How about Deigo Sanchez? Gray Maynard? Maybe Dana should just fully dedicate himself to flying to fighters homes to meet them instead of you know running the UFC.


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Again see the Dan Henderson issue and how Dana/UFC lied to him about a title shot. Dana and the UFC are not very honest and frankly I find Fedor/M1 far more honest.
It was Anderson Silva' managers crying that messed that up and made Dana change his mind, its not really lying in the same manner if it was true at the time it was said. Is Brett Rogers a liar because he said he was gonna knock Fedor out?


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UFC is really only relevant in America, in Russia its close to non existant. Other fighters are desperate and not in the same situation as Fedor. Fedor owns 20% of M1 and has the best record as well as being the most respected fighter in MMA (apart from noobs).
20% of M-1 without Fedor's contract is worth about fifty three cents, Fedor could make way more money without M-1 riding his coat tails its got nothing to do with Fedor being desperate it has to do with him being contractually obligated to a bunch of swindlers.
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Old 12-08-2009, 11:58 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Meh, I don't really believe what M-1 says about it nor do I really believe much of anything Dana says, so it's probably some where in the middle. Sorry if I didn't quote anything I didn't get that memo .
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