Not at one point did I mention TKD because I know that it isnt useless in a real fight, nor did I mention Aikido? But w/e all you guys are right, all thugs can beat someone who is trained how to fight because this is what they do, there bigger and stronger and meaner. I am wrong, a thug can beat a boxer, forgive me for even bothering posting that, I should know better. I think i'll just join a gang and use that as my background in MMA competitions and i'll beat everyone. Cuz I mean being mean, strong and bigger will destroy everyone, just like brock lesnar beat frank mir in less than 2 minutes. Forgive me, thugs win.
I'm amused that you used Frank Mir as an example .. the whole scenario I'm talking about is a guy who's trained a martial art (possibly an ineffective one) without
any real fighting or sparring going up against a thug who has. Frank Mir does not even compare to a guy like that ... he happens to fight for a living and spars/goes all out every week. A seasoned MMA guy like that would obviously tear apart your average thug in a one on one. Although a sub specialist like him that likes to go to the ground would still be more vulnerable on the streets compared to a good striker, if the thug had buddies around.
But when did I say that an actual well trained mma/boxing/kickboxing/MT fighter with real sparring or fighting experience of a fluid fight situation wouldn't do well against a thug? I agree that guys like that would usually maul an untrained and unexperienced opponent, strength advantage or not. But the debate wasn't about a guy like that, or Frank mir. You were defending a statement that any guy trained in martial arts, no matter what martial art, would beat down the thugs because they don't even know how to throw a punch, and training > strength. I'm saying not all training > strength.. some martial arts just suck for real fighting, period, you admitted as much in your post. They're better in movies. And training without sparring or matchups of any kind will fall apart under pressure or the first time a guy gets hit.
Case in point, I remember my first sparring session very well.. I'd been working on technique for 7 months and hit the pads harder than any guy in the place (partially because I was one of the bigger guys there) and looked the smoothest doing it. I had worked all these elaborate parries and blocks and cool looking responses to any strike my opponent might throw at me, and they worked like clockwork when I knew they were coming. Then I got my first spar, and went up against a 3-0 mma fighter.. all my pad work fell apart, I got mauled. Even with my higher reach, strength and probably cleaner looking technique, the guy kept coming and I couldn't think .. the responses I'd been training against an unmoving pad or a complying opponent were getting me socked in the face here. Hard. A while after that first spar, I switched to an actual MMA/KB camp that spars as a regular part of their training.. among all the training I did, I happened to spar again with that first guy and took him apart, utilizing my strength and reach effectively now that I had actual seasoned fighting responses. The moral of my long story is: the thugs already have that seasoning .. you're not gonna beat em on technique without practising it in a semi-real situation.