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Old 02-06-2010, 09:50 PM   #1 (permalink)
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would he be as dominant today as he was back when UFC was young? I personally don't believe he would be. there are far more fighters with higher levels of skill and strength. I think he would get caught coming in for one of his shooting moves by a highly skilled striker and I think that the grappling/jui-jit su specialists of today are far better (as a whole) than 10 or 20 yrs ago. that being said I think he could still be very good, just not dominant like then. Opinions please..

In closing: I didnt like him, I thought he was a dirty fighter in the respect that he rarely, if ever let up when a guy was tapping. he always seemed like he was "trying" to break an arm. Unless the ref actually pulled them apart he kept on applying pressure (I've seen him even continue after the ref grabbed him) and actually on a few occassions did end up popping a joint or tearing a ligament.. I would love to see him today against a top striker to see him get his block knocked off..
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evolution is inevitable. and much like the boston celtics of the 1950s, they would be dominated by the modern strain of the game.
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Old 02-07-2010, 04:28 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Who's that? Royce Gracie's girl ?
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Who is Joyce? I dont think she would be good today , tomorrow or any yesteryear.. In fact Ive never even heard of Joyce.... Is she fighting cyborg or something?
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Old 02-08-2010, 03:55 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I dont think Royce would of been successful today no way, the fighters back then where just any ex-pro has been fighter who never really had it in there own sport and willing to get into a pit and engage in a bare knuckle brawl.

Royce was the exception of the time because Jujitsu did not have an established professional scene for the fighters to earn money in, so they where able to attract some top guys in certain sports like Wrestling and Jujitsu, which imo is one reason why these guys styles where supreme over the not so good other fighters even within there own sport at the time, and the fact that a lot of the fighter did not understand Jujitsu and had no idea how to defend against it so where unprepared,

Today things are very different the UFC is attracting some of the very best fighters in the world, and they are prepared for the rules of the sport, he would no longer have the advantage of surprise against unaware opponents or the all around skills of the New Breed of fighter now coming into the sport.

Not a chance would he have the level of success today has he did back then
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to those who answered with an opinion, thankyou. to those who chose to act like little children. grow up!! okay, so I spelled the name wrong (sue me) I know now it Royce not Joyce and by the way i thought it is spelled with the J but pronounced like an H. Those who found it funny, your an easy crowd and affirmed to me that some are still at a 3rd grade emotional and intellectual level..
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I dont think Royce would of been successful today no way, the fighters back then where just any ex-pro has been fighter who never really had it in there own sport and willing to get into a pit and engage in a bare knuckle brawl.

Royce was the exception of the time because Jujitsu did not have an established professional scene for the fighters to earn money in, so they where able to attract some top guys in certain sports like Wrestling and Jujitsu, which imo is one reason why these guys styles where supreme over the not so good other fighters even within there own sport at the time, and the fact that a lot of the fighter did not understand Jujitsu and had no idea how to defend against it so where unprepared,

Today things are very different the UFC is attracting some of the very best fighters in the world, and they are prepared for the rules of the sport, he would no longer have the advantage of surprise against unaware opponents or the all around skills of the New Breed of fighter now coming into the sport.

Not a chance would he have the level of success today has he did back then
I understand your point however, keep in mind that without Royce Gracie there may have never been a UFC. I think if Royce was never around before and came around now he would still dominate because the world would still not know how to handle BJJ.


But i also feel that if somehow MMA got into the public eye without the Gracies, then Royce may not have been so succesful. I dont think his career was about being a "legend" or even a famous fighter as much as it was about showing the world at the time that BJJ was the best compared to other forms of martial arts rather than comparing to MIXED martial arts.
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would he be as dominant today as he was back when UFC was young? I personally don't believe he would be. there are far more fighters with higher levels of skill and strength. I think he would get caught coming in for one of his shooting moves by a highly skilled striker and I think that the grappling/jui-jit su specialists of today are far better (as a whole) than 10 or 20 yrs ago. that being said I think he could still be very good, just not dominant like then. Opinions please..
Well, he did come back to the UFC. So, your question is sort of silly.

Watch Matt Hughes vs. Royce Gracie. That speaks to your concern.


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In closing: I didnt like him, I thought he was a dirty fighter in the respect that he rarely, if ever let up when a guy was tapping. he always seemed like he was "trying" to break an arm. Unless the ref actually pulled them apart he kept on applying pressure (I've seen him even continue after the ref grabbed him) and actually on a few occassions did end up popping a joint or tearing a ligament.. I would love to see him today against a top striker to see him get his block knocked off..
This is stupid.

There were plenty of instances in which his opponents didn't tap because it was before the concept had fully developed.

But beyond that, Royce only used joint locks three times during his UFC career.

In the Jason Delucia fight, in the Kimo fight and in the Hackney fight.

The only one that really seems legitimate (the only fight in which Royce caused an injury) is the fight with Delucia, and Delucia was (it turns out) slow on the tap.


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to those who answered with an opinion, thankyou. to those who chose to act like little children. grow up!! okay, so I spelled the name wrong (sue me) I know now it Royce not Joyce and by the way i thought it is spelled with the J but pronounced like an H. Those who found it funny, your an easy crowd and affirmed to me that some are still at a 3rd grade emotional and intellectual level..
Grow up.

You brought up a terrible argument that's already been largely settled by Hughes vs. Gracie, talked down about the original UFC fighter and managed to mispell the name of the most recognizable fighter.

You put together a poor argument and demonstrated that you were under-informed by mispelling the name of an incredibly recognizable fighter.

For the record, I like Royce. He's a nice guy and a legend in the sport. But that's not what bothered me about this sport.

What bothered me was that you didn't even go to wikipedia, or read a little bit about Royce's work in recent years. The guy's been active, he was caught with steroids, and he's taken over his father's work since Helio passed away.

If you make strong statements without informing yourself, expect to be mocked.
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