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03-20-2010, 06:27 PM
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All i know that when a friend of mine played this childish game of who would you wanna be if you were a fighter.. he picked GSP and my pick was Dan.. then he looked at me smiling and said you know he has never been knocked out.. of course that can still happen but i don't care..
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03-20-2010, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Freelancer
I think, in spite of his accomplishments, Tito and Randy are more recognized because Hendo has more split decision victories than any MMA fighter I know. That means a lot of his fights could have easily gone either way. He wasn't dominant enough, he was lucky to have won all those fights.
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well i dont think it was luck it was just the way he fought (lay and...you know the rest) that made his wins split decisions. but if you look at early on he really used his wrestling as opposed to now where he relies on his right hand.Hes had a good career with some big wins and competitive losses.
he was never a real dominant fighter but guys feared him because he could beat anybody put in front of him with his skill-set.
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03-20-2010, 06:37 PM
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Hendo > Fedor
he just fought top guys all the time. he came to the UFC when the top guys did and kept fighting them.
all he was missing is a UFC belt. But so is Fedor. But Fedor didnt have 2 belts at once and fight top guys since Pride shutdown like Dan has.
Yea, i said it.
Ppl put too much value on records. Rocky Marciano isnt the greatest boxer ever either and he was undefeated.
The greatest, fight the greatest, win way more then they lose. Think Ali.
Dan is prob my GOAT right now but it will change very soon.
dont worry, everybody knows im flame retarded. but your hard pressed to find somebody who has fought at a higher level with better results over a long period of time in different weight classes...... then Dan Henderson.
He may not KO everybody and he may sqweak out some wins, but thats part of the sport, he knows how to use the rules to his advantage.
Anderson could make a LHW run and surpass him soon.
GSP could make a MW run.
BJ... etc etc.
Even if my boy..... Cain won the belt, was longest defending HW Champion in UFC history. He would be hard pressed to beat the feats of Dan Henderson. Being in the weakest division is hardly being the GOAT. Even if Cain does it.
Last edited by alizio : 03-20-2010 at 06:42 PM.
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03-20-2010, 07:08 PM
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If Kevin Randleman had a few more wins over some top fighters he would be close to having as an amazing career as Hendo.
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03-20-2010, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by alizio
Hendo > Fedor
he just fought top guys all the time. he came to the UFC when the top guys did and kept fighting them.
all he was missing is a UFC belt. But so is Fedor. But Fedor didnt have 2 belts at once and fight top guys since Pride shutdown like Dan has.
Yea, i said it.
Ppl put too much value on records. Rocky Marciano isnt the greatest boxer ever either and he was undefeated.
The greatest, fight the greatest, win way more then they lose. Think Ali.
Dan is prob my GOAT right now but it will change very soon.
dont worry, everybody knows im flame retarded. but your hard pressed to find somebody who has fought at a higher level with better results over a long period of time in different weight classes...... then Dan Henderson.
He may not KO everybody and he may sqweak out some wins, but thats part of the sport, he knows how to use the rules to his advantage.
Anderson could make a LHW run and surpass him soon.
GSP could make a MW run.
BJ... etc etc.
Even if my boy..... Cain won the belt, was longest defending HW Champion in UFC history. He would be hard pressed to beat the feats of Dan Henderson. Being in the weakest division is hardly being the GOAT. Even if Cain does it.
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The thing I always say when people say something about Dan and decisions is the greatest always find a way to win, he may have gone to the judges and he may have been given a couple lucky ones. But he won and it's not like the guy has never finished anyone, he has mauled some guys, long before he KO'd Wand he was brutal in Pride.
Plus when you fight top guys, you're not going to finish everyone you get in with, it's not easy to KO elite fighters.
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03-20-2010, 07:16 PM
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If Kevin Randleman had a few more wins over some top fighters he would be close to having as an amazing career as Hendo.
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oh kevin randlemen.......what could have been. Olympic medalist, one of the craziest fights ever vs fedor......but you cant compare the two really. kevin went and lost to cans while dan continued to fight top guys and beat them.
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03-20-2010, 07:17 PM
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well i dont think it was luck it was just the way he fought (lay and...you know the rest) that made his wins split decisions. but if you look at early on he really used his wrestling as opposed to now where he relies on his right hand.Hes had a good career with some big wins and competitive losses.
he was never a real dominant fighter but guys feared him because he could beat anybody put in front of him with his skill-set.
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When I say luck, I mean he was more on the winning side than on the losing side, considering those split decisions could have gone either way.
And Dan's victory against Nog is a pure gift from the judges.
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03-20-2010, 07:19 PM
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oh kevin randlemen.......what could have been. Olympic medalist, one of the craziest fights ever vs fedor......but you cant compare the two really. kevin went and lost to cans while dan continued to fight top guys and beat them.
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Yea that was my point if Randleman had won a few more fights vs top talent and not lost a few fights to lesser fighters he would be up there with Hendo.
Both Hendo and Randleman have some of the hardest fought resumes in MMA currently. The both fought just about everybody that matters for their weight class.
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03-20-2010, 07:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Freelancer
When I say luck, I mean he was more on the winning side than on the losing side, considering those split decisions could have gone either way.
And Dan's victory against Nog is a pure gift from the judges.
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Thats right, but a guy like Hendo should at least get more recognition then for example Couture! |
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03-20-2010, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by JimmyJames
Yea that was my point if Randleman had won a few more fights vs top talent and not lost a few fights to lesser fighters he would be up there with Hendo.
Both Hendo and Randleman have some of the hardest fought resumes in MMA currently. The both fought just about everybody that matters for their weight class.
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oh i agree completely, if only but things just work out differently for different fighters.
@freelancer- in that case i can't really argue but i still think luck might be the wrong word, maybe generous judging?
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Dan Henderson's Career
