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Old 03-20-2010, 08:51 PM   #21 (permalink)
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oh i agree completely, if only but things just work out differently for different fighters.

@freelancer- in that case i can't really argue but i still think luck might be the wrong word, maybe generous judging?
You could say that.

And Alizio, Fedor also fought very good fighters, and has just one somewhat disputable decision. So you couldn't possibly say that Hendo>Fedor.
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Old 03-20-2010, 08:56 PM   #22 (permalink)
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You could say that.

And Alizio, Fedor also fought very good fighters, and has just one somewhat disputable decision. So you couldn't possibly say that Hendo>Fedor.
Of course you can't no one is better than Fedor right?

I just wanted to discuss Henderson's career a little, just give the guy a knob, I even said I didn't think he was the GOAT, yet we still tail spin into ******* Fedor talk.
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Old 03-20-2010, 08:56 PM   #23 (permalink)
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You could say that.

And Alizio, Fedor also fought very good fighters, and has just one somewhat disputable decision. So you couldn't possibly say that Hendo>Fedor.
did u read what i wrote??

Marciano was undefeated but only the most uneducated boxing fans would say he was the greatest ever.

Record alone doesnt cut the muster. It matters who you fought and when you fought them and for how long you did it for.

Losing a fight doesnt make you ineligable to be the greatest ever.

in fact its much the opposite. the greatest ever can rebound from losses and come back better.

i hate the simplistity most Fedor fans think in.

you dont have to win 30 in a row or be undefeated for 10 years to be the GOAT.

especially when your doing it in multiple divisions. and Fedor is in the historically weakest division in MMA.

Who is to say if Fedor didnt take the low road after Pride disbanded and went to the UFC like Hendo did that he wouldnt have lost by now??

Hendo didnt protect his record or his belts. he wanted the champions of UFC. ASAP.

sounds like something a REAL GOAT would do instead of hiding in the shadows behind some shady company.

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anyways im sorry for derailing the Hendo thread. i will speak no more. i was just giving my opinion that Hendo is the GOAT and of course Fedor fans cant just grin and bear it, they must speak out of my blasphemy from the hilltops.

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Old 03-20-2010, 09:58 PM   #24 (permalink)
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OK, if you two want it that way, let's get back to Hendo. Imagine if he had lost all those split decisions which could've easily happened. Would he still be eligible for GOAT and would you still appreciate him that much?

And I did read your post Alizio, and I don't think you are fair to Marciano. It's not his fault if the HW division was a bit weaker when he was on top. The fact is, he didn't duck anyone and he defeated everyone in his path. 49-0-0, 43 KO's. That alone ranks him among the very best ever.
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Yeah Hendo is without a doubt one of the most underrated fighters out there. He has a very impressive record that many guys who are hyped ten times more than he is could only dream of having.
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If Kevin Randleman had a few more wins over some top fighters he would be close to having as an amazing career as Hendo.
Definitely not. Randleman had a pretty good career, no doubt, but a record of 17 - 14 is definitely not even close to Hendo's record of 25 - 7 (not to mention his 2 Pride titles in two divisions, ufc title, Rings/Pride/Brazil Open fight tourny wins).
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Definitely not. Randleman had a pretty good career, no doubt, but a record of 17 - 14 is definitely not even close to Hendo's record of 25 - 7 (not to mention his 2 Pride titles in two divisions, ufc title, Rings/Pride/Brazil Open fight tourny wins).
My point was that if a few of the losses on his career vs top level fighters were wins instead he would be up there with Hendo.

They both have fought a whos who of MMArtist.
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Dan Henderson has 9 split decision wins on his record. He's got (essentially) zero submission skills and more than half of his wins are by decision.

When he beat Vitor, Vitor's sister had just been kidnapped in Brazil and he had no composure because of it, just had to mention that in there.


I think Dan is one of the most "solid" fighters - not well rounded, but solid - in the world. There's nobody he wouldn't give problems too. But I don't consider him elite and he's maybe a little overrated.


I mean... like everyone else said. What if his 9 split decisions had gone the other way?


Plus some people said he's going to walk through SF's MW division. A mid-tier SF fighter in Misaki beat Henderson at arguably Henderson's prime, and yet SF's champions are going to get crushed by him.
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Dan Henderson has 9 split decision wins on his record. He's got (essentially) zero submission skills and more than half of his wins are by decision.

When he beat Vitor, Vitor's sister had just been kidnapped in Brazil and he had no composure because of it, just had to mention that in there.


I think Dan is one of the most "solid" fighters - not well rounded, but solid - in the world. There's nobody he wouldn't give problems too. But I don't consider him elite and he's maybe a little overrated.


I mean... like everyone else said. What if his 9 split decisions had gone the other way?


Plus some people said he's going to walk through SF's MW division. A mid-tier SF fighter in Misaki beat Henderson at arguably Henderson's prime, and yet SF's champions are going to get crushed by him.
I don't agree with much of that, but I see your point on everything except for Dan being overrated. I really hope that's a joke, Dan is never in the conversation about GOAT or even in the talk when MW comes up. The only time he ever gets talked about is when people are discussing who could possibly beat Silva and even then it's not much of a mention, it's just maybe Hendo could have in a rematch.

I'm sorry, but you don't hold two titles in two divisions if you aren't a great fighter. It's as simple as that, yes he's won a lot of decisions and it's 8 split decisions btw not 9, but so has Jon Fitch, does that mean Fitch isn't a great fighter? And if you ask me Dan has easily fought tougher competition.

Dan is going to run right through SF, there just isn't the ability at MW in SF. Dan wants another title before he retires, he's driven and Jake Shields style plays right into Dan's game. Shields doesn't have great stand-up and I don't see him taking Dan down very easily or staying on top if he does take him down.

Vitor's sister was kidnapped almost three years before he fought Dan Henderson, so nice try. That was sad about Vitor's sister though, either way. Vitor also tested positive for steroids after that fight.
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I don't agree with much of that, but I see your point on everything except for Dan being overrated. I really hope that's a joke, Dan is never in the conversation about GOAT or even in the talk when MW comes up. The only time he ever gets talked about is when people are discussing who could possibly beat Silva and even then it's not much of a mention, it's just maybe Hendo could have in a rematch.

I'm sorry, but you don't hold two titles in two divisions if you aren't a great fighter. It's as simple as that, yes he's won a lot of decisions and it's 8 split decisions btw not 9, but so has Jon Fitch, does that mean Fitch isn't a great fighter? And if you ask me Dan has easily fought tougher competition.

Dan is going to run right through SF, there just isn't the ability at MW in SF. Dan wants another title before he retires, he's driven and Jake Shields style plays right into Dan's game. Shields doesn't have great stand-up and I don't see him taking Dan down very easily or staying on top if he does take him down.

Vitor's sister was kidnapped almost three years before he fought Dan Henderson, so nice try. That was sad about Vitor's sister though, either way. Vitor also tested positive for steroids after that fight.
First of all I'm a fan of Hendo. But this sentence is not true, Fitch has about ten victories via decision but only 2 split-decisions. It's a BIG difference. In 8 victories of Hendo's career, some of them were really important, one out of three judges thought he didn't win the fight. So making his score a thing to appreciate is not really smart. He has faced the best, but his score is deceptive. It could have easily been 17-15 instead of 25-7.
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