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post #21 of 32 (permalink) Old 04-30-2010, 01:29 PM
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All other factors and possible factors about Overeem aside, watch the dudes fights over the past couple of years. His striking is extremely tight. Hate him, love him, doesnt matter. The dude has some of the most technically sound stand up that you will ever see in a heavyweight in mma. His ground game is also very good. If you look at him from an objective stand point, the dude is a highly skilled fighter. How well will those skills hold up in mma when he starts fighting top heavyweights? I dont really know, hopefully we will find out soon.
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Because Shogun, Vitor, Anderson Silva, Rampage Jackson, etc all came to the UFC and became chumps.

And as for petty insults, I really believe you ARE racist. Not saying it's an insult, just that you seem to bring up the Brown Pride every chance you get. You don't see me loving every blonde/blue eyed fighter and if one ever became champ (what color are lesnar's eyes?) I'd hope that my Brazilian Rocket Fists would knock him out.

Overeem beat Vovchanchyn, Vitor 2x, Kharitonov, and every HW he's faced besides a fluke KO in the Kharitonov rematch.

You don't have to hate a guy just because he can't beat Shogun Rua. If that were the case you'd have to hate pretty much everyone.

i dont hate overreem.

he doesnt really fight MMA. the sport i follow. he dabbles in it and is moderately successful.

thats a fact.

a win over Buentello to get a belt is way less legit then how Lesnar got his belt, yet you hate Lesnar??

Kind of weird...perhaps you are racist??

ridiculous?? well... the only mexican i ever talk about excessively is Cain Velasquez.

Not Gilbert Melendez.
Not Tito Ortiz
Not Huerta
Not Cruz
Not Eddie Alveraz
Not Frankie Edgar
Not Danny Castillo
Not Ricardo Lamas
Not Leonard Garcia
Not Miguel Torres
Not Damacio Page
Not Chad Mendes

nope... only Cain Velasquez...

but a guy like you... that seems intelligent.... cant figure out... "hey, maybe this guy just really likes Cain Velasquez and doesnt just cheer for fighters based on race"

nah... that was a tough puzzle to solve Khov. Im disappointed in you bringing this up, not once, twice now in this thread.

thought we past that.

fact is, Overeem has no really impressive MMA wins besides Belfort who has his own problems back then too. If you are gonna credit K1 wins then you midaswell Credit James Toneys resume coming in too.

Overeem has proven to be a mid level HW. Nothing more, nothing less.

Same level as say Roy Nelson, Rothwell,Kongo, Pat Barry.

EDIT. Let me add that Overeem and Mousasi should get the actively inactive award. Despite both having what, 30 fights?? both have only faced a handful of credible MMA opponents.

Its somewhat incredible to get that many fights, be considered that elite and yet never fight anybody?? i have to give respect to their managers and promotion team. getting top fighter cred without beating top fighters is something special.

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Quoted for truth, I don't see how it's okay to test one fighter more than the rest just because you think he might be using, if he gets Olympic style testing, everyone else should too.
They are both being subjected to the same testing. I don't see how it isn't fair. The only difference in Olympic Style testing is that the tests are random, meaning the fighters don't know when they will be tested. Also, they are allowed to take blood samples in Olympic Style testing, not just urine. Most steroid testing in MMA is scheduled, the fighters know when they will be tested. It's much easier to mask your use when you know when the tests are going to be.

Consequently, this is exactly why the Mayweather - Paquiao fight fell apart. Pacman's camp wouldn't agree to the Olympic Style testing.

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i dont hate overreem.

he doesnt really fight MMA. the sport i follow. he dabbles in it and is moderately successful.

thats a fact.

a win over Buentello to get a belt is way less legit then how Lesnar got his belt, yet you hate Lesnar??

Kind of weird...perhaps you are racist??

ridiculous?? well... the only mexican i ever talk about excessively is Cain Velasquez.

Not Gilbert Melendez.
Not Tito Ortiz
Not Huerta
Not Cruz
Not Eddie Alveraz
Not Frankie Edgar
Not Danny Castillo
Not Ricardo Lamas
Not Leonard Garcia
Not Miguel Torres
Not Damacio Page
Not Chad Mendes

nope... only Cain Velasquez...

but a guy like you... that seems intelligent.... cant figure out... "hey, maybe this guy just really likes Cain Velasquez and doesnt just cheer for fighters based on race"

nah... that was a tough puzzle to solve Khov. Im disappointed in you bringing this up, not once, twice now in this thread.

thought we past that.

fact is, Overeem has no really impressive MMA wins besides Belfort who has his own problems back then too. If you are gonna credit K1 wins then you midaswell Credit James Toneys resume coming in too.

Overeem has proven to be a mid level HW. Nothing more, nothing less.

Same level as say Roy Nelson, Rothwell,Kongo, Pat Barry.

EDIT. Let me add that Overeem and Mousasi should get the actively inactive award. Despite both having what, 30 fights?? both have only faced a handful of credible MMA opponents.

Its somewhat incredible to get that many fights, be considered that elite and yet never fight anybody?? i have to give respect to their managers and promotion team. getting top fighter cred without beating top fighters is something special.
What are you talking about? Hes been fighting top guys since 2006. He has only been fighting pro since 03 ...

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While Overeem is extremely selective in his fights, and hasn't fought anybody substantial in MMA for a awhile, it does not necessarily mean he isn't a good fighter and won't be able to handle Rodgers.

I think Overeem is fairly savvy at handling his career. I doubt he would agree to a test if he wasn't sure he would pass it.
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I don't buy this bull crap about Overeem, the guy has been fighting over in Japan because he wanted to concentrate on his K-1 and just took the easy MMA bout here and there to remain achieve, now that SF has a nice TV deal with CBS and has attracted some top HW opponents for him he is back and ready to defend, lets face it its not been until this past year where SF has had much to offer him in the way of opponents.

Bottom line is the guy is one of the best Strikes in MMA and in the shape and form of his life, Rogers is in big trouble.

Anyone who thinks Overeem is not a dangours opponent and world class striker then just watch this



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Im not a big fan of overeem. He doesn't really impress me. he loses a lot to top opponents all the time and he's been fighting cans for the passed year or so. I hope rogers knocks his head off.

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ridiculous?? well... the only mexican i ever talk about excessively is Cain Velasquez.

Not Gilbert Melendez.
Not Tito Ortiz
Not Huerta
Not Cruz
Not Eddie Alveraz
Not Frankie Edgar
since when is frankie edgar mexican
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since when is frankie edgar mexican
Thank you i was wondering if anyone else would catch that one...
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I don't buy this bull crap about Overeem, the guy has been fighting over in Japan because he wanted to concentrate on his K-1 and just took the easy MMA bout here and there to remain achieve, now that SF has a nice TV deal with CBS and has attracted some top HW opponents for him he is back and ready to defend, lets face it its not been until this past year where SF has had much to offer him in the way of opponents.

Bottom line is the guy is one of the best Strikes in MMA and in the shape and form of his life, Rogers is in big trouble.

Anyone who thinks Overeem is not a dangours opponent and world class striker then just watch this

^ this
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