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Old 07-12-2006, 10:55 PM   #91 (permalink)
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Old 07-12-2006, 10:57 PM   #92 (permalink)
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This is why i think im leaving this site,A bunch of 12 year old kids talking about Mike Tyson like he's a god.
Someone Called your friend a Drama Queen For annoucing that he was leaving this site as soon as you contacted him apprently because someone hurt his feelings.. I think It's time for you to join him, just grab his hand and skip away.. But please spare us the drama..! Share your Opinion ON Tyson. Intelligently Present your Argument. Back it up with fact. (or not) Better yet, totally disreguard post that offend you.. Please Stop Showing your age by treatening to leave..! ( What ran out of simulac.? ) You think you're so insightfull that we all going to beg you to stay..? News Flash... You're not that important. Nobody is going to miss you...!
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Tyson is missing the boat!!!

If he needs the money he should have Dana sign him up for a fight against Ken Shamrock. All of that power is not gone and you know the rage is still inside. I would love to see Tyson hitting people without the gloves. He would really only need about 6-months of grappling training to help him defend against the take down. Tyson was made for MMA. He and Tank back in the day would have been an exciting fight. The question is, would anyone in the UFC want to get in the Octagon with him (besides Tank or Bob Sapp, we know they would)? I don't mean to question anyones bravery but Iron Mike did bite a chunk out of a mans ear.
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Old 07-14-2006, 01:36 AM   #95 (permalink)
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Someone Called your friend a Drama Queen For annoucing that he was leaving this site as soon as you contacted him apprently because someone hurt his feelings.. I think It's time for you to join him, just grab his hand and skip away.. But please spare us the drama..! Share your Opinion ON Tyson. Intelligently Present your Argument. Back it up with fact. (or not) Better yet, totally disreguard post that offend you.. Please Stop Showing your age by treatening to leave..! ( What ran out of simulac.? ) You think you're so insightfull that we all going to beg you to stay..? News Flash... You're not that important. Nobody is going to miss you...!
OK Mr A** kiss the mods what do you think ive been doing?
You just cant debate when someone's come back awnser is "TYSON IS A GOD WAKE UP" So plz Latino spare me the drama and pep talks im a big boy.
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Old 07-14-2006, 10:15 AM   #96 (permalink)
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I mentioned the 4oz gloves several times.. and how devestating tyson would be most of the people here only seem to remember the older tyson after don king.. not the young tyson .
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Old 07-14-2006, 10:25 AM   #97 (permalink)
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I certainly did not say that Mike Tyson is, was, or ever could be a great MMA fighter. What I am saying is that he is a man who has certain abilities that a great fighter would desire. One of these abilities is devastating knockout power.

That trait alone is enough to stop anyone because it can end a fight in an instant.

Even if Tyson were to KO Chuck Liddell, or any MMA fighter, it wouldn't make Tyson a better all around fighter. The victory would only make Tyson victorious.

It's obvious that The Iceman and MMA fighters are all around more skilled fighters than boxers. MMA fighters are, for the most part, skilled in all areas of fighting. Such is not the case with boxers.

What separates Tyson from most boxers, is his uncanny power. It's not natural.

A comparison would be pitting an eight foot tall man who weighed 575 pounds of solid muscle against Royce Gracie in his prime. Chances are Gracie would certainly be destroyed. The victory would not make the giant of a man an all around better fighter though. Would it?

Same with Tyson and Liddell or any MMA fighter.

Tyson (at 22 in his prime especially) would always have that puncher's chance even against fighters much more skilled than him.


Even if you are a die hard MMA fan, as I am; you can not be blind in your belief or devotion to thinking that an MMA fighter will defeat any practitioner of a fighting style or discipline.

Bruce Lee was very much a practitioner of Jeet Kwon Do (I may have spelled it wrong). He didn't study ground fighting much. I'd still put good money on him if he were to face many of today's MMA competitors in his prime.

Would you?

Still, even if Bruce Lee defeated Chuck Liddell or Tito Ortiz or any well rounded MMA fighter; it wouldn't make Bruce Lee an all around better fighter. Judging all areas of fighting, like Tyson, Bruce would come up on the short end of the stick. But, because he's so dominant in the area he targeted, that alone would help him defeat most of his opponents.

People like Tyson and Bruce Lee are rare exceptions. Even a great boxer like Muhammad Ali would lose to most MMA fighters.

Most black belts would get hammered by average MMA fighters.

There are few exceptions like Tyson and Bruce Lee. At the moment I can't think of any others.




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very well put but one thing about bruce.. he did know he had a weakness and was learning grappling skills and how he could apply them to his fighting abalities. sadly it looks like he never had the chance to finish his learning. that is the difference between him and tyson.. Tyson thinks he is great had nothing more to learn.. espically in his later years.. Bruce knew he did not know all and was willing to learn from others.. that was what JKD was based off of.. his learning from others.
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Old 07-14-2006, 01:41 PM   #98 (permalink)
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The world? What about ernestto host, crocop, remy bonjansky, maurice smith. Chuck's good but i don't know about that good.
Do you know anything about MMA? Host? That guy is not a premiere striker in MMA. Maurice Smith is way out of his prime. And look at all his losses. they're coming from the elite fighters of his time. he lost to ken, rutten, couture, randleman, sobral, and many others. Cro Cop is a good striker but he is more well-rounded. His striking is no where near that of Chuck Liddell's or Wanderlei Silva's. Both of them have the unique ability to knock out Heavyweights.
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I think what everyone is forgetting about is who Tyson fought in his "prime". That is right, NOBODY. I could have knocked out some of these guys. And since when did Mike Tyson become a boxer. This guy is a fighter. He lost his fights to boxers. Tyson has no techniique in a sport based on that. He can't even be considered a great boxer.

Granted no boxers have become good MMA fighters, but they weren't good boxers either. All the great boxers just keep boxing. They would be stupid to quit boxing for 20 mil a fight and start training for a sport that doesn't even pay close to that and is much more difficult.

Liddell would not be stupid enough to stand up with Tyson and even if he did, he would have like a foot reach advantage on the midget Mike Tyson. 4 oz gloves are worn by both fighters and Liddell is a very accurate puncher. I think Liddell would take him down and beat him badly, if he wanted to stand with Tyson he could and would probably win a decision. Tyson would punch himself out.
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I think what everyone is forgetting about is who Tyson fought in his "prime". That is right, NOBODY. I could have knocked out some of these guys. And since when did Mike Tyson become a boxer. This guy is a fighter. He lost his fights to boxers. Tyson has no techniique in a sport based on that. He can't even be considered a great boxer.
I can understand why someone would think Tyson wasn't a "boxer" in the traditional sense, but anyone who knows boxing would know that in his prime, Tyson's techinique was flawless in the ring, and rarely was he even hit cleanly. As I pointed out early on, Tyson was a master of the unorthodox "peek-a-boo" style of boxing, which frustrated and confused most of his opponents. Tyson never had trouble with boxing purists, he only showed some vulnerability when he fought very tall boxers with long reach advantages (Tyson is short for a heavyweight, and gave up a reach advantage to just about EVERY opponent he ever fought).

Also, to say he fought NOBODY is just nonsense. In reality, he fought everyone who came up for him in his division at the time. He unified the splintered heavyweight title for the first time in many years, and had to defeat 3 current champions to do that. These men weren't just lay-down punks either; Tony Tucker, James "Bonecrusher" Smith, and Trevor Berbick were all well-regarded boxers at that time. No, they weren't Ali-calibre champions, but they weren't bums.

Here's a list of Tyson's opponents in or around his prime:

1985
Mar. 6 -- Hector Mercedes, Albany, N.Y., TKO 1
Apr. 10 -- Trent Singleton, Albany, N.Y., TKO 1
May 23 -- Don Halpern, Albany, N.Y., KO 4
June 20 -- Rick Spain, Atlantic City, N.J., KO 1
July 11 -- John Alderson, Atlantic City, N.J., TKO 2
July 19 -- Larry Sims, Poughkeepsie, N.Y., KO 3
Aug. 15 -- Lorenzo Canady, Atlantic City, N.J., TKO 1
Sept. 5 -- Michael Johnson, Atlantic City, N.J., KO 1
Oct. 9 -- Donnie Long, Atlantic City, N.J., KO 1
Oct. 25 -- Robert Colay, Atlantic City, N.J., KO 1
Nov. 1 -- Sterling Benjamin, Latham, N.Y., TKO 1
Nov. 13 -- Eddie Richardson, Houston, KO 1
Nov. 22 -- Conroy Nelson, Latham, N.Y., KO 2
Dec. 6 -- Sammy Scaff, New York, KO 1
Dec. 27 -- Mark Young, Latham, N.Y., KO 1

1986
Jan. 10 -- Dave Jaco, Albany, N.Y., TKO 1
Jan. 24 -- Mike Jamison, Atlantic City, N.J., TKO 5
Feb. 16 -- Jesse Ferguson, Troy, N.Y., W DSQ 6
Mar. 10 -- Steve Zouski, Uniondale, N.Y., KO 3
May 3 -- James Tillis, Glen Falls, N.Y., W 10
May 20 -- Mitch Green, New York, W 10
June 13 -- Reggie Gross, New York, TKO 1
June 28 -- William Hosea, Troy, N.Y., KO 1
July 11 -- Lorenzo Boyd, Swan Lake, N.Y., KO 2
July 26 -- Marvis Frazier, Glen Falls, N.Y., KO 1
Aug. 17 -- Jose Ribalta, Atlantic City, N.J., TKO 10
Sept. 6 -- Alfonzo Ratliff, Las Vegas, KO 2
Nov. 22 -- Trevor Berbick, Las Vegas, TKO 2
(Won WBC Heavyweight Title)

1987
Mar.7 -- James Smith, Las Vegas, W 12
(Won WBA Heavyweight Title/Retained WBC Heavyweight Title)
May 30 -- Pinklon Thomas, Las Vegas, TKO 6
(Retained WBA/WBC Heavyweight Titles)
Aug. 1 -- Tony Tucker, Las Vegas, W 12
(Won IBF Heavyweight Title/Retained WBA/WBC Heavyweight Titles/Became Undisputed World Heavyweight Champion)
Oct. 16 -- Tyrell Biggs, Atlantic City, N.J., TKO 7
(Retained Undisputed World Heavyweight Title)

1988
Jan. 22 -- Larry Holmes, Atlantic City, N.J., TKO 4
(Retained Undisputed World Heavyweight Title)
Mar. 21 -- Tony Tubbs, Tokyo, Japan, TKO 2
(Retained Undisputed World Heavyweight Title)
June 27 -- Michael Spinks, Atlantic City, N.J., KO 1
(Retained Undisputed World Heavyweight Title)
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