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Old 07-15-2006, 10:54 AM   #101 (permalink)
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I can understand why someone would think Tyson wasn't a "boxer" in the traditional sense, but anyone who knows boxing would know that in his prime, Tyson's techinique was flawless in the ring, and rarely was he even hit cleanly. As I pointed out early on, Tyson was a master of the unorthodox "peek-a-boo" style of boxing, which frustrated and confused most of his opponents. Tyson never had trouble with boxing purists, he only showed some vulnerability when he fought very tall boxers with long reach advantages (Tyson is short for a heavyweight, and gave up a reach advantage to just about EVERY opponent he ever fought).

Also, to say he fought NOBODY is just nonsense. In reality, he fought everyone who came up for him in his division at the time. He unified the splintered heavyweight title for the first time in many years, and had to defeat 3 current champions to do that. These men weren't just lay-down punks either; Tony Tucker, James "Bonecrusher" Smith, and Trevor Berbick were all well-regarded boxers at that time. No, they weren't Ali-calibre champions, but they weren't bums.

Here's a list of Tyson's opponents in or around his prime:

1985
Mar. 6 -- Hector Mercedes, Albany, N.Y., TKO 1
Apr. 10 -- Trent Singleton, Albany, N.Y., TKO 1
May 23 -- Don Halpern, Albany, N.Y., KO 4
June 20 -- Rick Spain, Atlantic City, N.J., KO 1
July 11 -- John Alderson, Atlantic City, N.J., TKO 2
July 19 -- Larry Sims, Poughkeepsie, N.Y., KO 3
Aug. 15 -- Lorenzo Canady, Atlantic City, N.J., TKO 1
Sept. 5 -- Michael Johnson, Atlantic City, N.J., KO 1
Oct. 9 -- Donnie Long, Atlantic City, N.J., KO 1
Oct. 25 -- Robert Colay, Atlantic City, N.J., KO 1
Nov. 1 -- Sterling Benjamin, Latham, N.Y., TKO 1
Nov. 13 -- Eddie Richardson, Houston, KO 1
Nov. 22 -- Conroy Nelson, Latham, N.Y., KO 2
Dec. 6 -- Sammy Scaff, New York, KO 1
Dec. 27 -- Mark Young, Latham, N.Y., KO 1

1986
Jan. 10 -- Dave Jaco, Albany, N.Y., TKO 1
Jan. 24 -- Mike Jamison, Atlantic City, N.J., TKO 5
Feb. 16 -- Jesse Ferguson, Troy, N.Y., W DSQ 6
Mar. 10 -- Steve Zouski, Uniondale, N.Y., KO 3
May 3 -- James Tillis, Glen Falls, N.Y., W 10
May 20 -- Mitch Green, New York, W 10
June 13 -- Reggie Gross, New York, TKO 1
June 28 -- William Hosea, Troy, N.Y., KO 1
July 11 -- Lorenzo Boyd, Swan Lake, N.Y., KO 2
July 26 -- Marvis Frazier, Glen Falls, N.Y., KO 1
Aug. 17 -- Jose Ribalta, Atlantic City, N.J., TKO 10
Sept. 6 -- Alfonzo Ratliff, Las Vegas, KO 2
Nov. 22 -- Trevor Berbick, Las Vegas, TKO 2
(Won WBC Heavyweight Title)

1987
Mar.7 -- James Smith, Las Vegas, W 12
(Won WBA Heavyweight Title/Retained WBC Heavyweight Title)
May 30 -- Pinklon Thomas, Las Vegas, TKO 6
(Retained WBA/WBC Heavyweight Titles)
Aug. 1 -- Tony Tucker, Las Vegas, W 12
(Won IBF Heavyweight Title/Retained WBA/WBC Heavyweight Titles/Became Undisputed World Heavyweight Champion)
Oct. 16 -- Tyrell Biggs, Atlantic City, N.J., TKO 7
(Retained Undisputed World Heavyweight Title)

1988
Jan. 22 -- Larry Holmes, Atlantic City, N.J., TKO 4
(Retained Undisputed World Heavyweight Title)
Mar. 21 -- Tony Tubbs, Tokyo, Japan, TKO 2
(Retained Undisputed World Heavyweight Title)
June 27 -- Michael Spinks, Atlantic City, N.J., KO 1
(Retained Undisputed World Heavyweight Title)
hmm 35 fights.. in 4 years.. how many boxers or MMA artists have that many fights in thier entire carears.. true some do.. but in 4 years.. and only 12 of those fights going past the 2nd round.. Thats just incredibleall these people were trying to knock down the champ he was fighting more then 2 fights a month some years.. thats little or no prep time for the next opponent..
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Old 07-15-2006, 03:19 PM   #102 (permalink)
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hmm 35 fights.. in 4 years.. how many boxers or MMA artists have that many fights in thier entire carears.. true some do.. but in 4 years.. and only 12 of those fights going past the 2nd round.. Thats just incredibleall these people were trying to knock down the champ he was fighting more then 2 fights a month some years.. thats little or no prep time for the next opponent..
Amateurs do it, but very rarely do pros. Especially heavyweights.

Tyson was able to stay so active mainly because in the early days, he was hardly ever hit! He stayed in motion constantly, and it was an achievement for a guy to land a clean jab, let alone a power shot.

I love it when people say he was only good because he didn't fight anyone good. Most people don't know the names of the men he fought because Tyson beat them so easily, many of them didn't fight again until AFTER Tyson was defeated, or lost all their confidence and were never the same. For instance, Trevor Berbick, who Tyson KO'd in the 2nd round, was a silver medalist in the 1976 Olympics in Montreal (winning silver after only 11 amateur fights at that time), and secured a title shot against Larry Holmes on April 11, 1981 but lost via 15-Round Unanimous decision. In his second fight after the loss to Holmes, he beat an aged Muhammad Ali to secure his place in history as the man who finally ended the career of "The Greatest". He won the WBC version of the World Heavyweight title by upsetting Pinklon Thomas via Unanimous Decision on March 22, 1986. This guy was no slouch, yet Tyson clean the ring with him, which no one had done previous to that. Berbick was never the same after Tyson, and ended his career in 2000 with a professional record is 50 wins (33 Knockouts), 11 losses, and 1 draw.
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Amateurs do it, but very rarely do pros. Especially heavyweights.

Tyson was able to stay so active mainly because in the early days, he was hardly ever hit! He stayed in motion constantly, and it was an achievement for a guy to land a clean jab, let alone a power shot.

I love it when people say he was only good because he didn't fight anyone good. Most people don't know the names of the men he fought because Tyson beat them so easily, many of them didn't fight again until AFTER Tyson was defeated, or lost all their confidence and were never the same. For instance, Trevor Berbick, who Tyson KO'd in the 2nd round, was a silver medalist in the 1976 Olympics in Montreal (winning silver after only 11 amateur fights at that time), and secured a title shot against Larry Holmes on April 11, 1981 but lost via 15-Round Unanimous decision. In his second fight after the loss to Holmes, he beat an aged Muhammad Ali to secure his place in history as the man who finally ended the career of "The Greatest". He won the WBC version of the World Heavyweight title by upsetting Pinklon Thomas via Unanimous Decision on March 22, 1986. This guy was no slouch, yet Tyson clean the ring with him, which no one had done previous to that. Berbick was never the same after Tyson, and ended his career in 2000 with a professional record is 50 wins (33 Knockouts), 11 losses, and 1 draw.
true I was pretty young then but I seen some of tyosns fights.. I remember several one punch KO's
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I am 25 years old and remember many of Tyson's fights, from watching them live with my father. He (my father) is the reason I am a fan of fighting today.

I am not by any means a fan of Chuck Liddell. I am neither a fan of Tyson.

If it were Tyson in his prime and Chuck in his and it was a stand up fight, then Tyson would probably win. Chuck would surely not be stupid enough to stand up with him though. Chuck is a mixed martial artist and could lkely take Tyson down and work on him there. The only problem with it is getting inside. Tyson would not have a chance in hell against Chuck today. Tyson couldn't beat an average boxer much less a highly skilled MMA fighter.

I don't believe people think Tyson would crush him. He has a puncher's chance but not as good of one because Liddell is so counter active and could clinch as soon as he missed. Likely Tyson would over pursue and end up getting kicked and kneed until he was taken down. Liddell would win the fight under MMA rules.
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