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post #61 of 104 (permalink) Old 07-08-2006, 01:50 AM
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give tyson a proper training for a year or two, then he would take ufc to a totally different level. i mean we are talkin about a killing machine and nobody would dare to fight him. 4oz gloves? are you kidding me? he will have to work his buttoff to learn how to submit people how to ground and pound and etc, but i'm sure he can be a total package. remember MMA is a recent sport, so it can be learned rather quickly for guys like tyson who is a natural born fighter.

and i love liddel, but tyson would own him.

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hmm right about the time he hooked up with Don King. Tyson probably could have been a legend among boxers to eclipse even Ali.. sadly Don King happened. King is a drain on society and should be dropped in the ocean. Except I do not think sharks eat thier own.. maybe he'll just drown
I think once Tyson got rid of Kevin Rooney after the Spinks fight, it was all downhill from there as far as his talent was concerned. Rooney was the only trainer that knew how to handle Mike and keep him disciplined. After Rooney left, everyone just took advantage of Tyson's name and exploited him. His wife, his friends, and ultimately Don King. I believe King single-handedly destroyed boxing. Let's hope MMA doesn't get someone like him somewhere down the road.

In my opinion, for a brief period in his career (maybe 2 or 3 years), I believe Tyson was one of the greatest heavyweight boxers of all time. In that short span of greatness, I think he could have beaten Ali or any of the historical "legends". Pound for pound, however, I think the greatest might have been Marvin Hagler. That man was a fighting machine in his weight class, and probably the most grossly underappreciated champion ever. Hagler retired with a record of 62 Wins, 3 Losses, 2 Draws, 52 Knockouts. He went 14 years being undefeated in 37 consecutive fights.

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give tyson a proper training for a year or two, then he would take ufc to a totally different level. i mean we are talkin about a killing machine and nobody would dare to fight him. 4oz gloves? are you kidding me? he will have to work his bought off to learn how to submit people how to ground and pound and etc, but i'm sure he can be a total package. remember MMA is a recent sport, so it can be learned rather quickly for guys like tyson who is a natural born fighter.

and i love liddel, but tyson would own him.
I hope your talking about the 22 year old Mike if your not then never watch UFC again...No offense just saying.

As for Kid Punk being that good at MMA?? lmao ok there is a big difference between a college wrestler and a moron like Tyson.
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Tyson Cant Be That Big Of A Moron..he Was The Undisputed Heavyweight Champion Of The World...so He Must Have Trained Like An Animal...just As Hard As Mma Guys Today..if Tyson Started Training Mma At The Same Age He Started Training Boxing U Dont Think He Would Be Smart Enuff To Be Good...for Get About It..he Would Still Be Undefeated Right Now..but Ne Ways Im Sick Of This Thread Because Its Pointless To Argue Over Sumthing That We Will Never Know The True Outcome!




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give tyson a proper training for a year or two, then he would take ufc to a totally different level. i mean we are talkin about a killing machine and nobody would dare to fight him. 4oz gloves? are you kidding me? he will have to work his bought off to learn how to submit people how to ground and pound and etc, but i'm sure he can be a total package. remember MMA is a recent sport, so it can be learned rather quickly for guys like tyson who is a natural born fighter.

and i love liddel, but tyson would own him.
hmmm would the current tyson last in MMA With proper training and some anger management and with a trainer who can control him.. He could probably be a force for awhile.. may not win them all but he certianly would do well.. how well not sure.. all dfepends on his mind set

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hmmm would the current tyson last in MMA With proper training and some anger management and with a trainer who can control him.. He could probably be a force for awhile.. may not win them all but he certianly would do well.. how well not sure.. all dfepends on his mind set
If Tyson were able to stay disciplined and dedicated like he was in the early stages of his career, he'd do good initially. However, MMA often requires lots of PATIENCE in order to succeed, and Tyson has never had much of that, even under Kevin Rooney. Whenever Tyson fought someone who took him the distance (like Tony Tucker) by keeping away from his power punches or clinching him a lot, Tyson quickly got frustrated and flustered. Even early in his career, if he didn't destroy the guy within the first few rounds, he started to get pissed off.

I think physically, Mike would have the tools to go far in MMA, and anyone that says he didn't have the brains to learn unusual techniques just doesn't know Tyson's background. Tyson was trained to fight using an unorthodox "number system" that no other boxer/trainer used at the time. He memorized various number combinations to correspond with punch combinations. For example, his trainer Kevin Rooney would call out the numbers ‘6-8-6′ or ‘5-1-5′, which meant 'jab to the head, right hook to the body, followed by a right hook the head'. Within a split second, Tyson would throw his combinations pressing forward, while bobbing and weaving away from his opponent’s shots using the D’Amato peek-a-boo style. Rarely would Tyson ever be hit accurately with an opponents punch. It was extremely successful, but NONE of this trainers after Rooney continued to use that system.
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If Tyson were able to stay disciplined and dedicated like he was in the early stages of his career, he'd do good initially. However, MMA often requires lots of PATIENCE in order to succeed, and Tyson has never had much of that, even under Kevin Rooney. Whenever Tyson fought someone who took him the distance (like Tony Tucker) by keeping away from his power punches or clinching him a lot, Tyson quickly got frustrated and flustered. Even early in his career, if he didn't destroy the guy within the first few rounds, he started to get pissed off.

I think physically, Mike would have the tools to go far in MMA, and anyone that says he didn't have the brains to learn unusual techniques just doesn't know Tyson's background. Tyson was trained to fight using an unorthodox "number system" that no other boxer/trainer used at the time. He memorized various number combinations to correspond with punch combinations. For example, his trainer Kevin Rooney would call out the numbers ‘6-8-6′ or ‘5-1-5′, which meant 'jab to the head, right hook to the body, followed by a right hook the head'. Within a split second, Tyson would throw his combinations pressing forward, while bobbing and weaving away from his opponent’s shots using the D’Amato peek-a-boo style. Rarely would Tyson ever be hit accurately with an opponents punch. It was extremely successful, but NONE of this trainers after Rooney continued to use that system.
excellent points I think if MMA was popular when tyson was starting out that is where he would have went and he really would have been top dog back then...

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excellent points I think if MMA was popular when tyson was starting out that is where he would have went and he really would have been top dog back then...
Yep, I think you're right. In addition, I think it would have given Mike the mental tools he desperately needed back in his early days to become a more stable person in life.

Hell, I wish I started training MMA long ago. I did some wrestling for several years in high school, then did some amateur boxing, and got my BB in TKD, but only recently started learning other things like Ju-Jitsu. Hindsight is 20/20.
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Chuck beating Mike when Mike was in his prime? Is this some kind of joke? Mike Tyson would have murdered Chuck Liddell if they would have faught and Tyson was in his prime. I still have tapes from Tysons greatest fights and they were sadistic and evil. No boxer ever finished opponents in the first round as quick and sick as Tyson did. Plus his speed was amazing and crazy for a heavyweight. Chuck Liddell has some speed but not as much as Tyson did back then. Plus Tyson had the greatest trainer back then ever in any sport. After his trainer died he was nothing thats why he became all crappy.
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Plus Tyson had the greatest trainer back then ever in any sport. After his trainer died he was nothing thats why he became all crappy.
You must be talking about Cus D’Amato, but Tyson didn't hit his prime until after Cus died. Cus was a father figure to him and a great influence, but truly his best trainer must have been Kevin Rooney, who was also a student of Cus, and used many of his mentor's training techniques to further school Tyson. Like we discussed in some of the posts above, almost immediately after Tyson fired Rooney, he lost all but a shadow of his former greatness.

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