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View Poll Results: The No1 Heavyweight in the world is
Fedor Emelianenko 30 20.27%
Fabricio Werdum 5 3.38%
Junior dos Santos 9 6.08%
Brock Lesnar 75 50.68%
Cain Velasquez 10 6.76%
Shane Carwin 19 12.84%
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post #11 of 122 (permalink) Old 06-27-2010, 08:35 AM
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I think now there isn't any clear number 1 heavyweight.
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I believe, at this moment it's almost impossible to say who the best HW in the world is. Many were the opinion Fedor isn't the best HW before this fight annyway, so that doesn't changes much.
The "Big 4" from the UFC haven't fought against eachother yet...soon to end on July 3rd, so it would be almost impossible to say who is better.
Also..there are the HWs from SF: Fedor, Overeem, Werdum, Big Foot. Werdum has beaten all of them now, but i don't see him as being better than Fedor or Overeem. He beat the downgraded version of Overeem

I want make it a longer post, but in conclusion...there isn't a HW out there that is worth to be called No. 1 Heavyweight in the world right now.
After they get to smash each other's faces or chocke each other out, then we're talking.

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post #12 of 122 (permalink) Old 06-27-2010, 08:43 AM
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I think Carwin is going to destroy Lesner... like no contest destroy him.


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post #13 of 122 (permalink) Old 06-27-2010, 09:21 AM
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Because he defeated 2 overrated fighters? Brock Lesnar is a newcoming MMA wannabe who hasn't proved anything.
lol, once again, your bias against the UFC is ever apparent. Can't seem to switch it off, can you? I know, I know. Heath Herring is no good. Randy Couture is too old. And Frank Mir is over-rated. Give me a break. Surely even you, despite your unconditional, and oftentimes blind love for SF can admit that waltzing into the UFC and running rough-shot over durable fighters like Heath Herring, legends like Randy Couture, and well rounded/proven contenders like Frank Mir is impressive. The man has four career wins, three of them against top UFC HWs, and men that most would consider top HWs, period. Save you, of course. Color me shocked on that one

Hasn't proven anything? Yeah... only that he can hang with the top fighters in his organization, despite being a relative 'newb' to the sport, the one and only assertion you managed to get right. I get not liking Brock. I truly do. But to not respect or be impressed by what he's accomplished in the Octagon can only derive from pure, straight bias, something you absolutely reek of. What will be your excuse if and when he dispatches Shane Carwin? That Shane is one dimensional? Too slow? Over-rated? Or does Brock have to lay waste to SF's vast list of pound for pound HWs like Brett Rogers and Bigfoot Silva to earn your obviously coveted respect?

You never cease to amaze me. You'd think a man in your position could at least discuss matters like these with a shred of objectivity, but it's all too apparent that you and objectivity go together about as well as Fedor and triangle choke holds. I'm far from Brock Lesnar's biggest fan, but I can respect what he's done and where he's going. For someone to walk into an organization like the UFC and score wins such as his with so little experience under his belt is impressive and unparalleled. So yes, I can give the man his due. But I'll also be the first person to defend Fedor's legacy after last night's loss to Werdrum. That's the difference between someone like me, and someone like you.
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Well, Fedor lost now.
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post #15 of 122 (permalink) Old 06-27-2010, 12:37 PM
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brock lesnar is not the number one hw in the world, his record is the worst of any ufc champion ever, his top tier wins were over "should be retired" randy, and frank mir who had previously defeated him. lesnar shouldnt even be ranked in the top ten in my opinion, but most of you on here will yell blasphemy. fedor is still in the top 3 hw in the world as well.
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Brock is the clear number 1 now unless Carwin shows us otherwise.

If Fedor ever wants to rejoin the discussion, he'll have to come to the UFC. A rematch win over Werdum or a win over Overeem won't sway me now...especially should Brock or Carwin win in impressive fashion.

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Winner of Velasquez vs Winner of Lesnar vs Carwin is the disputed best HW in the world. Emelianenko was embarassed last night, but he's still got an amazing record.

The debate will continue, guaranteed, until Fedor retires or comes to the UFC. Its all a big circular cluster-f*ck.



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Lol, I love how all the posters on Sherdog are saying that Werdum should be the new #1,

I'd have to say Lesnar is #1, Cain #2, Dos Santos #3, Overeem #4, Carwin #5, Fedor #6.

That's not an insult to Fedor, it's a testament to how good the new breed of heavyweights is.
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If you want to count wins and losses, he's not #1. But the fashion in which he's won his fights puts him up there.

In terms of dominance (who has the best shot at beating any other HW right now) - oddsmakers would put on match-ups - for me it's really a toss up between Overeem, Cain, Carwin and Brock.

A case could be made for all 4. I wouldn't bet on any of these fights.

Carwin or Brock beating the other would put that guy at #1 HW without a doubt. Carwin with ridiculous short range KO ability. Brock with size/wrestling/athleticism. Cain with pure boxing/speed/wrestling/athleticism. Overeem with the ability to throw high kicks/MMA submission grappling experience/speed.

I'll say it's a tie right now between Overeem, Cain, Carwin and Brock. You can tag a guy #1 in a week.
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lol, once again, your bias against the UFC is ever apparent. Can't seem to switch it off, can you? I know, I know. Heath Herring is no good. Randy Couture is too old. And Frank Mir is over-rated. Give me a break. Surely even you, despite your unconditional, and oftentimes blind love for SF can admit that waltzing into the UFC and running rough-shot over durable fighters like Heath Herring, legends like Randy Couture, and well rounded/proven contenders like Frank Mir is impressive. The man has four career wins, three of them against top UFC HWs, and men that most would consider top HWs, period. Save you, of course. Color me shocked on that one

Hasn't proven anything? Yeah... only that he can hang with the top fighters in his organization, despite being a relative 'newb' to the sport, the one and only assertion you managed to get right. I get not liking Brock. I truly do. But to not respect or be impressed by what he's accomplished in the Octagon can only derive from pure, straight bias, something you absolutely reek of. What will be your excuse if and when he dispatches Shane Carwin? That Shane is one dimensional? Too slow? Over-rated? Or does Brock have to lay waste to SF's vast list of pound for pound HWs like Brett Rogers and Bigfoot Silva to earn your obviously coveted respect?

You never cease to amaze me. You'd think a man in your position could at least discuss matters like these with a shred of objectivity, but it's all too apparent that you and objectivity go together about as well as Fedor and triangle choke holds. I'm far from Brock Lesnar's biggest fan, but I can respect what he's done and where he's going. For someone to walk into an organization like the UFC and score wins such as his with so little experience under his belt is impressive and unparalleled. So yes, I can give the man his due. But I'll also be the first person to defend Fedor's legacy after last night's loss to Werdrum. That's the difference between someone like me, and someone like you.
No it's not impressive bud.

Not impressive enough to be ranked as a #1 fighter. I'd put JDS ahead of him anyday. His record is much more impressive.

And Heath Herring is not that good of a fighter. Are you serious?

And yes Randy Couture is too old.


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