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Old 07-15-2010, 08:35 PM   #61 (permalink)
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They need to make kicks and knees from your back legal but I don't really think anything else need to be legalized. I don't think the sport is in its infancy anymore either more like middle school. I really don't see the sport changing all that much in the next 20 years aside from more great athletes being involved and more depth to all the divisions.
I realize it's a contentious issue but I'd also like to see the 12-6 elbow rule go away, and knees to the head on the ground legalized. I do think that legalizing the sport in more jurisdictions will grow it and that will be an important change. The first show at Madison Square Garden is going to be huge.
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Old 07-16-2010, 08:52 AM   #62 (permalink)
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^^^Really? I'm hoping for major changes. Open up a few strikes that are fouls now, legalization and sanctioning in more regions, high caliber athletes coming to the sport, more public acceptance... This sport is in its infancy and needs to continue to change and grow.
Not really no! I really like the Sport the way it is now. There are little things I would like to change as well. Scoring system is one of those. The 12-6 elbow rule you mentioned.

But overall Major changes aren't necessary. I am more worried about the future then the present right now.

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well as you know it takes a very very long time to get black belts in martial arts and my guess is people just don't either have the time,money or patience to do 2 black belt martial arts every week instead of learning everything at one place every week
If this will be the future and people are successful with it, then this Sport just died!
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Old 07-16-2010, 08:18 PM   #63 (permalink)
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Even if that does happen at some point, guys will still excel more than others at grappling or striking, so it might not be a clash of pure styles more a clash of opposite strengths because both guys will know how to strike and how to grapple. I'm actually looking forward to that day, when a great striker can't be neutralized simply by taking him down.
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Yeah cause there will be a striker who is so good off his back that even on the ground isn't a safe place!
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Old 07-17-2010, 07:41 AM   #65 (permalink)
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Even if that does happen at some point, guys will still excel more than others at grappling or striking, so it might not be a clash of pure styles more a clash of opposite strengths because both guys will know how to strike and how to grapple. I'm actually looking forward to that day, when a great striker can't be neutralized simply by taking him down.
I have nothing against that at all Ez! And actually we already see that today. Thats already the present!

But we still have the clash of styles as well today and the strong Martial Arts backgrounds from every individual in that Cage. We still have those great ALL American Wrestlers like Chael Sonnen for example. Guys who you just can't stop from taking you down. Thats where the strong Martial Arts background is! If this beautiful aspect of the Sport, wich is so important for me as a fan dies out one day and everybody will call there Background only Mixed Martial Arts anymore.. then my friend the Sport just died for me and I won't watch it anymore.
Of course these so called MMA fighters will have there strenghts and weaknesses. Some will be better strikers and some will be better grapplers.. just where the talent is. But doesn't that make you sad? That there background will only be MMA?? Doesn't that make you sad, that the characters will leave the Sport forever??

Where does that leave the beauty of the Sport?? Where is the unquestionable and unique Martial Arts background from guys like Demian Maia, Lyoto Machida, Anderson, Chael Sonnen and on and on?? Guys who make this Sport so unbeliavble unique and facinating for us.

You look forward to a future with guys like Rory McDonald only?! Isn't that a sad picture of the Sport?

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Yeah cause there will be a striker who is so good off his back that even on the ground isn't a safe place!
You mean a guy like Anderson Silva?

Kanto thats not what we are talking about here. This isn't the topic. We are talking about the Martial Art in Mixed Martial Art.
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i would like knees to the head and no illegal elbow rules, i think you should be able to do anything except the basic offenses like eye gouging,groin strikes,kicks to head when on the ground(even though in pride it was awesome)
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I agree with your original post Bobby but I don't necessarily think its a bad thing. Pure MMA guys are still gonna have to have a solid mix of stand-up, grappling and a ground game. So whether that's a combination of Muay Thai+Wrestling+BJJ or Boxing+Judo+Wrestling/BJJ whatever, they're still gonna have to study a facet of each. Sure we may not have pure Karate guys, or pure BJJ dudes any more, but that's just the evolution of the sport friend!
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Old 07-17-2010, 12:08 PM   #68 (permalink)
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I agree with your original post Bobby but I don't necessarily think its a bad thing. Pure MMA guys are still gonna have to have a solid mix of stand-up, grappling and a ground game. So whether that's a combination of Muay Thai+Wrestling+BJJ or Boxing+Judo+Wrestling/BJJ whatever, they're still gonna have to study a facet of each. Sure we may not have pure Karate guys, or pure BJJ dudes any more, but that's just the evolution of the sport friend!
I don't know Nefil

For me as a true Martial Arts fan, the beauty of the Sport would leave. And what remains is just a Sport hold in a Cage..

All those amazing characters and all those different kind of Backgrounds from those fighters make this Sport so unbeliavble unique to me. Thats the most important aspect for me Nefil.

I really couldn't care less, that two dudes who call there Fighting Background Mixed Martial Arts, would go into that Cage and beat the shi.t out of each other. Two dudes who you can't even connect with a True Fighting Background. Doesn't matter if it is Boxing, Kickboxing or something else would be just fine for me. But at least have a Bakcground and Show me where you are coming from.

If all this would just be gone.. I could not see myself still watching this Cage Fighting. I could not handle this Evolution of the sport.
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I have nothing against that at all Ez! And actually we already see that today. Thats already the present!

But we still have the clash of styles as well today and the strong Martial Arts backgrounds from every individual in that Cage. We still have those great ALL American Wrestlers like Chael Sonnen for example. Guys who you just can't stop from taking you down. Thats where the strong Martial Arts background is! If this beautiful aspect of the Sport, wich is so important for me as a fan dies out one day and everybody will call there Background only Mixed Martial Arts anymore.. then my friend the Sport just died for me and I won't watch it anymore.
Of course these so called MMA fighters will have there strenghts and weaknesses. Some will be better strikers and some will be better grapplers.. just where the talent is. But doesn't that make you sad? That there background will only be MMA?? Doesn't that make you sad, that the characters will leave the Sport forever??

Where does that leave the beauty of the Sport?? Where is the unquestionable and unique Martial Arts background from guys like Demian Maia, Lyoto Machida, Anderson, Chael Sonnen and on and on?? Guys who make this Sport so unbeliavble unique and facinating for us.

You look forward to a future with guys like Rory McDonald only?! Isn't that a sad picture of the Sport?
I can't see that it will ever get that bad. We are never going to get to a point where MMA is something kids are doing from the time they're little. It's more likely we see a lot of Jon Jones in the future. Kids that are amazing at other sports or styles that learn the rest of the game young and are just that much more improved at everything by the time they are in their early 20s.

Pure styles will never disappear, because frankly, some people don't like getting hit in the face, so they will stick to a pure grappling art like BJJ or wrestling, even if it becomes a sport kids compete in. I don't think the future will be much different from now, other than people will get that much better at a specific style and more improve at what used to be weaknesses. If that makes any sense.
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