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post #11 of 15 (permalink) Old 08-18-2010, 09:57 PM Thread Starter
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post #12 of 15 (permalink) Old 08-19-2010, 02:57 AM
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Negotiating fair salaries as the sport grows is a huge benefit for the fighters. A union strike would be a huge blow to the fans. Any hockey fans remember the NHL lockout which led to the cancellation of the '04'05 season? *spit*

Now as MMA fans, can you bear to go a couple of months or more without seeing any new UFC events? Would it be worth it to see the fighters get paid a few extra bucks, which would have no benefit for the fans whatsover.
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Guaranteed money, regardless of performance equates to an absence or at least a gaping hole of incentive, equates to less forced effort by fighters, equates to lowered quality of fighters, equates to less interest in fighters & fights, equates to the current state of Greece. Professional sports are 100% dictated by performance and as it should be. If you suck, you shouldn't get guaranteed anything except walking papers. If you're awesome, you deserve the big dollars that already awesome sportsmen earn.
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post #14 of 15 (permalink) Old 08-19-2010, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by kantowrestler View Post
I think the first step to forcing Dana White to finally accept fights with outside promotions and fighters would be the formation of a fighters union that would force Dana to either start having non-exclusive contracts and to copromote or else he wouldn't have any fighters!
It'll never happen.

There are plenty of reasons why creating a union for fighters is impossible given the current climate. (a) There isn't a promotion other than the UFC that can afford to deal with the salary increases and benefits a union would ask for and (b) there's no way that the management of fighters would allow the negotiation of contracts to be outsourced to a third body.

Oh, and the fact that contracts are negotiated individually with players and the organization, as opposed to, say, the NFL or the NHL, where there's a league that has a contract with a union and individual players that have contracts with teams. The presence of those two tiers, with four separate negotiating bodies allows the managers of the athletes to be happy taking a portion of their cut from the negotiations with the individual teams (so that they can make a living) and allows the athletes room to negotiate and have other places to go within the deal negotiated by the union.

Dana would not accept a deal with a union that stipulated that union fighters would be allowed to fight in competing organizations, just as (though this is my understanding) the current union contract in the NFL allows that members of the players union must be available to the NFL during the regular season. So the union is put in a position where it basically has to have all of its members in the UFC, which is impossible.

The things that we should be thinking about are the things that a union would be responsible for outside of the negotiating room.

How are fighters going to get access to health insurance? We periodically come together to help out the guys who get injured, but there really ought to be a fund for fighters who suffer severe training injuries, that fighters pay into, that ensures they will have access to healthcare if they get injured in a way that is not protected by their contracts with the UFC. I'm not an insurance guy, so I don't really know, but I see the need for it.

How are fighters going to survive after they fight? Because there aren't really any retired fighters yes, we aren't thinking about what happens to these guys after their careers end. Royce and Ken Shamrock are still young enough to fight for money, though only barely. Why don't we set up a pension fun for fighters, again, that they'll pay into that gives them access to a long term private pension for their retirement.

I'm not saying I have hard solutions to these things, I'm not an expert on either of these subjects, but these are major issues that we have to take a look at in the next ten years, because eventually these guys will need to retire, and the problem with fighters like Frank Mir or Tito Ortiz basically going bankrupt when they require medical procedures they can't afford because they're not insured isn't going to go away either.

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Well the Union could have different standards for the UFC and other organizations. Like for DREAM they should probably require that they be paid on time. For the UFC they should require more fair treatment and benefits. It may not sound like a perfect system but its probably very similar to the relationship the football union has with the NFL and the United Football League!

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