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Old 08-23-2010, 11:16 AM   #21 (permalink)
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The punch, was warranted, the knee, was blatantly illegal no matter whether it was after the fight or not.

No Contest is what it should have been, but Strikeforce sucks big time, and they just do their best to cover the issue with bias MMAjunkie interviews immediately following the event. That is how they cover up a lot of the giant holes in their game.


I dunno, Noons is a good fighter, I don't want to say he should be DQ'd, but I thought it should have been a No Contest before I read this thread. The knee was illegal, and it 100% landed. I'm watching it right now and it is RIDICULOUS to say it didn't. Noon's actions in throwing that knee could have seriously injured Gurgel, and like I always say: It is not the result that should gauge the punishment, but the action.
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Old 08-23-2010, 11:36 AM   #22 (permalink)
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The punch I am iffy on, the reffing I am 100% pissed off about. And seriously, where were the docs to check on him after that last punch? Ultimately reffing is the real problem here. If the ref did his job he would have never gotten to the point where he threw that knee. But in the end he did throw and land that knee on his head. It's messed up because he should had already been declared a winner, but it should have been a NC.
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Old 08-23-2010, 03:27 PM   #23 (permalink)
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The knee was unintentional? It was a blatant violation of the rules he knee'd him in the head he clearly means to knee him in the head so how is it unintentional?



That knee and Noons intention are so easy to see Stevie Wonder just called and said the ref should be ashamed of himself. It is so clear how can you act like its questionable whether or not it landed. Do you not realize not a single other person has questioned it? The fact that it did no change the outcome is why I think it should be a NC. I hate when a fighter gets a DQ win after being dominated but I think Noons needs to be punished and I think a NC accomplishes that. He violated the rules and it should be treated as such. I can't stand when people say if it didn't change anything it shouldn't matter. I swear if Shane Carwin fought Stefan Struve and brought a tire iron into the cage and bashed Struve in the head there would be a couple people who would think Carwin still won since him knocking out Struve was inevitable anyway and the tire iron didn't effect what the outcome would have been.
Throwing a knee at a grounded opponent isn't illegal the action of hitting him in the head with it is. It shouldn't change the outcome because it was already decided at the point where it would have connected. So no it shouldn't be a NC because that would be reversing the decision. Your point is nonsense. It definitively didn't impact the outcome because it happened after the fight. The ref was clearly pushing him before it landed so the fight was over. Like I said this is something for the commission to review and decide if punishment is needed.
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Throwing a knee at a grounded opponent isn't illegal the action of hitting him in the head with it is. It shouldn't change the outcome because it was already decided at the point where it would have connected. So no it shouldn't be a NC because that would be reversing the decision. Your point is nonsense. It definitively didn't impact the outcome because it happened after the fight. The ref was clearly pushing him before it landed so the fight was over. Like I said this is something for the commission to review and decide if punishment is needed.
The commission needs to review and then fire the ******* ref.
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Old 08-23-2010, 03:53 PM   #25 (permalink)
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the punch I have came around after watching the fight the punch was thrown split second before the bell but I still think he shouldve got 5 minutes but the knee was illegal and did land I have watched it about 10 times and it lands it should be a No Contestas the intent of the knee semmed to be to take Grugel's head he just didnt land it flush
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Old 08-23-2010, 04:43 PM   #26 (permalink)
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The start of the punch happened after the bell. It's illegal had to be at least a point or a DQ. The knee landed and it should have been a definite DQ.
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Actually who cares guys

We can see Nick Diaz vs. KJ Noons now

Thats a dream fight in my eyes!
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Horrible reffing and an illegal knee.

That fight should be ruled a NC.
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I think it could of been deemed a No Contest because I dont believe the hit after the bell in the first round was deliberate but it knocked Gurgel out ffs, and it was clear at the start of the second round he never recovered from it, and no matter if it was deliberate or not it had a major impact on the fight.

At the very least Gurgel should of been given 5 mins extra to recover between rounds like he would have been given after any other type of illegal blow and Noons should have been given a points deduction.
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Throwing a knee at a grounded opponent isn't illegal the action of hitting him in the head with it is. It shouldn't change the outcome because it was already decided at the point where it would have connected. So no it shouldn't be a NC because that would be reversing the decision. Your point is nonsense. It definitively didn't impact the outcome because it happened after the fight. The ref was clearly pushing him before it landed so the fight was over. Like I said this is something for the commission to review and decide if punishment is needed.
So pick one excuse please for Noons and stick with it, either it landed or it didn't, either it was aimed at the head or it wasn't, now its after the fact? Actually if you watch the fight who knows if it was over the ref didn't seem to commit to anything hell even when the fight ended I wasn't sure what the decision was because the ref did such a horrible job, when you watch it he kinda starts to get in then starts to back away and then commits to his stoppage after the knee. The ref did a horrible job but the bottom line is whether the ref sucked or whether the shot after the bell was illegal or not none of it is relevant. What is to me is the fact Noons threw a blatantly illegal knee to the head with no regard for either Gurgel or for the rules he is supposed to be abiding by. Who turns and almost pleads for the ref to stop the fight then throws a nasty illegal knee. WTF?
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