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post #41 of 47 (permalink) Old 08-25-2010, 11:20 AM
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The referee obviously tries to get between them before he throws the punch. Also here's the illegal knee clearly connecting, another illegal blow.

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no.... you do NOT see the ref try to step in before the punch in thrown...... before it lands maybe..... but NOT before its thrown......




watch it....... just as KJ is starting his motion, the ref moves in.... it all happened AT THE BELL. the knee.... i wont argue much.... but that punch... there was NOTHING illegal about it.... just unfortunate timing and nothing more




gurgel woulda KTFO there if it wasnt the end of the round...... he did not stop, he did not drop his hands.... you can see it there, he got ****ed up! plain and simple.... the Knee.... totally wrong.... i wont argue... but this shit about the punch at the end of rnd 1 is crap.


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post #42 of 47 (permalink) Old 08-25-2010, 02:39 PM
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Points on the Knee issue.
  • The ref was jumping in to stop the fight before it was thrown, so the fight was over as the ref had already decided it was a TKO win to Noons even thought he had not completed the task of spiting up the fighters it was not a DQ, instead its something for the commission to review, but the TKO win to Noons still stands.
  • It hit Gurgel in the hand not in the head so it was not an illegal blow.
  • There is a chance Noons is telling the truth and that he was in fact about to throw a soccer kick to the body only he held back when he saw the ref was in the process of jumping in to stop the fight, and as he pulled back from the kick he unintentionally came very close to striking Gurgel in the head with his knee.

Points about the late first round punch
  • It landed after the bell therefore was an illegal hit, intentional or not Noons should of been deducted a point and Gurgel should of been given 5 mins to see if he was ok to continue, then in the event Gurgel was unable to shake off the blow a "No Contest" should of been called.
  • The fact that the ref took no action against this blow can only indicate that he felt it was a legal action, in which case he should of noted Gurgel was clearly KO'ed by the hook snd stopped the fight right there and declared Noons the winner by KO.
  • even when nether of these conditions met Gurgel was clearly effected by the shot coming into the second round yet offered no type of protection from anyone, instead was just a lamb been sent to the slaughter, so even then, during the break, their is still good cause for the fight to be stopped by the doctors or by Gurgel because Gurgel was clearly not OK to continue.
A few problems with this.

1. If the fight was already over and Noons delivered an illegal blow, then it becomes a commission situation. It is no different than what happens to a boxer that kicks a guy after the fight. The commission would have no choice but to suspend Noons.

2. The kick obviously makes it through Gurgel's weak open flailing hand defense.

3. If Gurgel can't continue after the second round, it is not a no contest. If a fight ends due to a legal blow it is a disqualification.

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no.... you do NOT see the ref try to step in before the punch in thrown...... before it lands maybe..... but NOT before its thrown......




watch it....... just as KJ is starting his motion, the ref moves in.... it all happened AT THE BELL. the knee.... i wont argue much.... but that punch... there was NOTHING illegal about it.... just unfortunate timing and nothing more




gurgel woulda KTFO there if it wasnt the end of the round...... he did not stop, he did not drop his hands.... you can see it there, he got ****ed up! plain and simple.... the Knee.... totally wrong.... i wont argue... but this shit about the punch at the end of rnd 1 is crap.
Are you blind. The referee obviously starts to move between them before Noons starts his motion.
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Should Noons have been disqualified? A punch clearly after the bell [it rang, Jurgel stopped, and Noons quite knowingly changed stance and threw] and a knee to the head illegally, admittedly Jurgel was badly hurt at this stage. Still, even the commentators seem to be suggesting that Noons had won illegally. Thoughts? Is it just another inadequate call from Strikeforce?

I thought it landed at or on the bell, not sure at how u arrive at him throwing it after the bell that def wasnt the case.....it was on the way before the bell rang,the knee when Jorge was down was worse IMO...

ARIEL hadnt seen the fight video at the time he spoke with Jorge and KJ....

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no.... you do NOT see the ref try to step in before the punch in thrown...... before it lands maybe..... but NOT before its thrown......




watch it....... just as KJ is starting his motion, the ref moves in.... it all happened AT THE BELL. the knee.... i wont argue much.... but that punch... there was NOTHING illegal about it.... just unfortunate timing and nothing more




gurgel woulda KTFO there if it wasnt the end of the round...... he did not stop, he did not drop his hands.... you can see it there, he got ****ed up! plain and simple.... the Knee.... totally wrong.... i wont argue... but this shit about the punch at the end of rnd 1 is crap.

JuGG, IronMan wrote a good piece about the ref and the position the ref should have been in here:

http://mmaopinion.com/2010/08/22/noo...n-ref-failure/


I though it was a good read and figure you might as well....

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The knee was illegal and Noons got away with it, mostly because Gorge was spent.

The fight should have been stopped and if the fighter cant continue then Noons should have been DQ'd.

We all know gorge was getting his ass handed to him but there is still no reason to let Noons get away with cheating/unsportsmanlike like conduct.

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I watched the end frame by frame from two different angles and to me it definitely looks like the knee hit the hand.
If it touched the head, it only scratched the hair.

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3. If Gurgel can't continue after the second round, it is not a no contest. If a fight ends due to a legal blow it is a disqualification.



Are you blind. The referee obviously starts to move between them before Noons starts his motion.
In 3 I assume you meant Illegal blow. If if were deemed legal by the ref, which it must have been, then if Gurgel couldn't continue it should have been a TKO for Noons.

I must be blind because it's not obvious to me. Without sound I don't see how you think that proves anything. I recorded the fight and I watched the punch a few times and I think he started the punch before the bell rang. It's pretty obvious that it was very close and everyone sees it differently, so I could see the ref seeing it as ok.

As for the knee I don't know. That was pretty iffy, although it didn't look like it actually hit him in the head, and I also think it was after the ref stopped it. Although it was a really piss poor job of stopping it.
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In 3 I assume you meant Illegal blow. If if were deemed legal by the ref, which it must have been, then if Gurgel couldn't continue it should have been a TKO for Noons.

I must be blind because it's not obvious to me. Without sound I don't see how you think that proves anything. I recorded the fight and I watched the punch a few times and I think he started the punch before the bell rang. It's pretty obvious that it was very close and everyone sees it differently, so I could see the ref seeing it as ok.

As for the knee I don't know. That was pretty iffy, although it didn't look like it actually hit him in the head, and I also think it was after the ref stopped it. Although it was a really piss poor job of stopping it.
I've watched the fight over on my dvr as well. Gurgel's punch lands as the bell rings. Noons doesn't even start his punch until after that. Starting to roll doesn't count as starting your punch. It's easy to roll and not throw a punch.

I still don't see how it's iffy. Gurgel puts his hand up. It can't fully block the knee, and it lands.
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