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Old 10-10-2010, 02:03 AM   #211 (permalink)
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Noons would get raped in the UFC? Get out of here with that bullshit. He'd pick up a few wins.. maybe a few losses...

He'd basically do the same thing he did in Strikeforce. But he wouldn't get "raped" by any means because he is a solid fighter.
I disagree. Any top tier fighter in the UFC would **** Noons.
Noons has very little defense to wrestling, and all the solid WW in the UFC are strong wrestlers / have strong wrestling backgrounds.

Noons would not do well at all.
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Old 10-10-2010, 02:04 AM   #212 (permalink)
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at LW he could be a fringe top 10 in the UFC.


at WW he would get raped and cut.


btw, here is his boxing record, note the lack of any credible opponents minus James Countryman who is actually pretty good (obv KJ lost to him).

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...9486&cat=boxer


its sad they hype him up as some great "cross over" boxer when he is boxing guys with 6-14 and 6-21 records or guys debuting.

MMA fans are just thinking in MMA terms, 11-2 in MMA means you are a top contender. In boxing? It means you are a bum.

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Old 10-10-2010, 02:10 AM   #213 (permalink)
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at LW he could be a fringe top 10 in the UFC.


at WW he would get raped and cut.


btw, here is his boxing record, note the lack of any credible opponents minus James Countryman who is actually pretty good (obv he KJ lost to him).

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...9486&cat=boxer


its sad they hype him up as some great "cross over" boxer when he is boxing guys with 6-14 and 6-21 records or guys debuting.

Well he doesn't have a record of 40-1 like all of the professional boxers and even if he did he'd probably have faced a top 5er 5 times in that 41 fight carreer because that's how boxing politics are. As an up and comer he's not going to have faced top 10 competition in boxing so thanks for pointing that out captain obvious.

Bottem line. He's a professional boxer and his record isn't 6-21 like the cans you're pointing out so it seems he's a step above them, not bad at all for a boxer whos trains part time MMA. I'd have to say as well that 7 of his 9 wins are stoppages due to strikes. That hints towards him having above average hands.

You'd be a fool not to respect his striking game in a fight.
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rival, i said i respect his hands in my 1st post....


all im saying is, your trying to make this very close decision win over an unranked opponent, a weight class above his normal weight, which he is also unranked in by saying he is a "pro boxer" like that adds some legitimacy to the win??


sure, he stood toe to toe with a medicore pro boxer and a top 15 LW.


I would hope a WW Champion could finish somebody like that, i know the top WWs in the UFC would have spit Noons out real easy.

Diaz barely won.
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rival, i said i respect his hands in my 1st post....


all im saying is, your trying to make this very close decision win over an unranked opponent, a weight class above his normal weight, which he is also unranked in by saying he is a "pro boxer" like that adds some legitimacy to the win??


sure, he stood toe to toe with a medicore pro boxer and a top 15 LW.


I would hope a WW Champion could finish somebody like that, i know the top WWs in the UFC would have spit Noons out real easy.

Diaz barely won.

lol your top UFC WWs can't even finish fights. So how are they gonna spit him out? You mean take him down and control him?
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lol your top UFC WWs can't even finish fights. So how are they gonna spit him out? You mean take him down and control him?
That's exactly what would happen.

Fitch Kos and GSP would all lay on Diaz until the cows come home.

I think Alvez would work Diaz' legs too much and would beat him also.

Other than that, think Diaz would be able to manage/win vs anyone else in the division.
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That's exactly what would happen.

Fitch Kos and GSP would all lay on Diaz until the cows come home.

I think Alvez would work Diaz' legs too much and would beat him also.

Other than that, think Diaz would be able to manage/win vs anyone else in the division.
I was actually talking about Noons. Who by the way has better TDD than Daley and Daley was fighting for a #1 contender slot in his last UFC fight lmao.

But yeah Noons would get raped.. Like I said he'd win a few and lose a few period. He'd not a bum stepping into hellfire like most would paint.

Now Diaz? He'd be a darkhorse period. He finishes fights, I don't see him being controlled by wrestlers as easy as some think, his ground game is sick and he's training with guys like Jake Shields, Nate, GIlbert and the Gracie fight team everyday. I think he'd make a good run at that strap.
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I was actually talking about Noons. Who by the way has better TDD than Daley and Daley was fighting for a #1 contender slot in his last UFC fight lmao.

But yeah Noons would get raped.. Like I said he'd win a few and lose a few period. He'd not a bum stepping into hellfire like most would paint.

Now Diaz? He'd be a darkhorse period. He finishes fights, I don't see him being controlled by wrestlers as easy as some think, his ground game is sick and he's training with guys like Jake Shields, Nate, GIlbert and the Gracie fight team everyday. I think he'd make a good run at that strap.
Oh my bad. lol

That being said about Daley...Daley would TOOL KJ standing, he'd make it look easy imo. (KO within a round or two)

KJ has a great chin, but Daley's power >>>>>>>>>> Diaz' power.

KJ seems to have decent TDD and ground defence, but I believe the elite wrestlers would be able to hold him down and at least inflict some damage.
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Oh my bad. lol

That being said about Daley...Daley would TOOL KJ standing, he'd make it look easy imo. (KO within a round or two)

KJ has a great chin, but Daley's power >>>>>>>>>> Diaz' power.

KJ seems to have decent TDD and ground defence, but I believe the elite wrestlers would be able to hold him down and at least inflict some damage.
Daley couldn't even tool Masvidal in his last fight, he couldn't tool Nick Thompson..

You know what the secret to Paul Daley is? Don't stand in the freakin pocket. That's where he catches you. Move your ass laterally in and out, cut angles and mix takedowns in so that he gets scared of your shots if you don't plan on GNPing him the entire fight you can spook him with the threat of a TD.

When he's spooked like that he doesn't commit to his punches and he pulls the trigger alot less. He's got KO power and beautiful technique. But he's beatable in the striking game.

If a fighter is dumb enough to stand in front of him tit for tat like Kampmann did than they'll probably get knocked out.

But after seeing Masvidal outsmart Paul Daley on their feet I wouldn't be surprised to see Noons do the same. Daley barley won that fight.
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Daley couldn't even tool Masvidal in his last fight, he couldn't tool Nick Thompson..

You know what the secret to Paul Daley is? Don't stand in the freakin pocket. That's where he catches you. Move your ass laterally in and out, cut angles and mix takedowns in so that he gets scared of your shots if you don't plan on GNPing him the entire fight you can spook him with the threat of a TD.

When he's spooked like that he doesn't commit to his punches and he pulls the trigger alot less. He's got KO power and beautiful technique. But he's beatable in the striking game.

If a fighter is dumb enough to stand in front of him tit for tat like Kampmann did than they'll probably get knocked out.

But after seeing Masvidal outsmart Paul Daley on their feet I wouldn't be surprised to see Noons do the same. Daley barley won that fight.
I'm not completely familiar with all of Noons' fights, but has he ever even went for a takedown on anyone? he seems like he's comfortable to bang with anyone from the fights I've seen.

I believe if Noons approached the fight like he did tonight vs Diaz, that yes, Daley would KHTFO.

Unfortunately I did not see the Daley vs Masdival fight yet.
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