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Old 08-26-2010, 02:02 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Actually, this is a conversation I have pretty regularly with a lot of my friends who are big boxing fans. I think that, of all of the great professional boxers, Tyson is the one that's most interesting in terms of MMA.

This is a guy with big, powerful legs, great quickness, athleticism, evasiveness and explosiveness. He's everything that a coach wants in an up-and-coming fighter. Apart from the fact that he may be the greatest boxer in the history of the modern pugilism, his style is awesome for MMA.

People talk about how much the power of Brock Lesnar or Shane Carwin plays into his ability to be effective in the standup. Well, this is a guy with that power, and that same athletic quickness of Lesnar or even a Dos Santos, and much better head movement.

Now, if he was a young guy, if he could still learn to fight off of his back, he'd be great. But you have to operate from the assumption that he would attempt to cultivate a ground game and some wrestling.

If you take Mike Tyson's boxing and give him the jiu-jitsu or wrestling even of a mediocre grappler who can just stay alive on the ground, he could be absolutely devastating. With his athleticism, though, one wonders how easy it would be for him to pick up that game.

Still, to say a young Tyson would have been an interesting prospect is absolutely right. If he had a wresting game that was substantial, he could be for MMA ten time what Chuck Liddell was, purely on the basis of his being faster and more explosive. If he developed that takedown defense, he'd be one of those great fighters.

But MMA is a tricky sport to call, because until you see how a game progresses you can't look at it in the context of matchups. If Tyson had the takedown defense of a Chuck Liddell, the best matchup for dealing with him would be radically different than if he dedicated his time to working his guard. It's hard to say where he'd fit in the current heavyweight division except to waste time stating the obvious, which is this: If Mike Tyson fought in MMA, he would have the best hands of any fighter in the history of the sport.

And, in case it's not obvious to you, that's because Mike Tyson (in many estimations) has the best hands in the history of pugilism.
Absolutely man. Tyson is a rare example of explosiveness which is key in Mixed Martial Arts. If he were to even become a blue belt in jiu jitsu and develop good takedown defense, Its hard to see someone beat a riled up Mike Tyson.
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Old 08-26-2010, 02:44 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Between this thread and Dana fawning over Mike in the other thread, I see where this is going.

I haven't been so enthused about something that is probably never going to happen since the Fedor v Randy talk started.
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Old 08-26-2010, 08:50 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Old 08-27-2010, 02:46 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Tyson was the Heavyweight Champion when Boxing was the most famous it ever was and unfortunately, this embellishes (often inadvertantly) his credentials and skills as a boxer.

Tyson, although explosive and very powerful, is not nearly as skilled of a boxer as Toney is.

As a matter of fact, Toney would outwork Tyson, land more all purpose strikes, and utilize supreme footwork to frustrate Tyson and make him predictable (it would be a boring fight). I pick Toney over Tyson 8/10 times.

Now Hopkins on the other hand, a very smart fighter, methodical, tactical, with excellent conditioning; his length and reach probably wouldn't hurt either.

Although his attitude isn't always the greatest, I think a younger Hopkins would have more potential than the likes of Tyson or Toney.
I disagree with you. I think because of all the hoopla surrounding Tyson's life after he became heavy weight champion many people forget his boxing skills. He had good fundamentals and good skills but he rarely got to show it because of his power. If you want to see a glimpse of how good he was go back and watch some of his early fights before he became champion. What you will see is a boxer with good head movement, body movement, foot work, being able to switch and use either hand.. and if you've ever seen him train...he was a beast in the gym.
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Old 08-27-2010, 09:34 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Between this thread and Dana fawning over Mike in the other thread, I see where this is going.

I haven't been so enthused about something that is probably never going to happen since the Fedor v Randy talk started.
I second that, even though Silva vs GSP is good too.
Umm @ Acecombat or whatever. Please youtube Tyson and then Toney and tell me who u and 5 friends would not want to be in a dark alley with.
I'd fight Toney even though I'd get destroyed, but Tyson I would never.
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Old 08-27-2010, 09:45 AM   #26 (permalink)
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One thing to consider with Tyson also is that he was a student of the Boxing game. He used to watch tape after tape picking up technical tips, breaking down fights and learning about the sport outside training. If he had adapted that to MMA and trained for even a year I have no doubt he'd have been one of the best in the world.
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I thin discussions like this are what MMA is all about: 'what if..?'

I would love to have seen Tyson in MMA. He is surely the hardest puncher of all time and yet he moved with the speed of a fighter 2 or 3 stone lighter. The quality of opposition in his early fights might have been questionable but the devastation he inflicted upon them was not.

I think it's pretty obvious that anyone in the UFC could kick all our asses but would any of them frighten us as much as Tyson?
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Old 09-02-2010, 05:14 PM   #28 (permalink)
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He would end up like Toney. Period.
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