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Old 08-29-2010, 09:07 PM   #11 (permalink)
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LOL I wrestled in highschool, and I owned ppl 20-30 pounds heavier than me.
Wrestling is fun and all doing it.
But watching it for more than 5 mins is boring as hell.

This should be MMA sport, MIXED Martial Art, now it is turning into who is the strongest wrestler.

There needs to be rules implemented so that lay and pray is completely eliminated from the game, so that more different styles of fighter can exist at the top level.
You did squat if you think 20 secs is enough to stand up fighters. Tell your Fairy Tales elsewhere.
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Old 08-29-2010, 09:13 PM   #12 (permalink)
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off the top of my head:

chuck, cro-cop, bj, Machida, Nog.....Anderson Silva...hell anybody named silva does OK against wrestlers.

But I get your point. anyone who wants to be at the top of the sport should start wrestling.

However, wrestling is not the be all of mma. Wrestlers seem dominant now not because of wrestling alone. But because for whatever reason they are learning the other aspects of the sport faster and better than strikers and submission grapplers are learning wrestling.

You need it all. Wrestlers just have a head start.
I am not saying MMA wrestlers only knows wrestling, OF COURSE they learn other stuff as well.

Wrestlers are becoming more and more multi-dimensional now, thats is why they can easily force the action on the ground with their knowledge and without taking much risk themselves.

That is whats bothering me, fights are going to become all lay and pray if rules doesnt get changed.
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Old 08-29-2010, 09:16 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Nothing against wrestling per se, however if you're not inflicting damage (real damage) or looking to advance ones position, the fight should be stood up quite obviously the pair aren't fighting.
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Old 08-29-2010, 09:17 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Yeah like take Kos, he's become mostly a striker!
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Old 08-29-2010, 09:17 PM   #15 (permalink)
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You did squat if you think 20 secs is enough to stand up fighters. Tell your Fairy Tales elsewhere.
Yes, I had to do squats also to train on my thigh power.
Thank you for mentioning that.

I am not even sure what you mean,
are you saying a ref cant physically stand up fighters in 20 secs? why?
Please use logical sentences.
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Old 08-29-2010, 09:21 PM   #16 (permalink)
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20 seconds is not enough time to set up many submissions... If you are only give 20 seconds it is basicly kick boxing... Dont like the idea at all...

I do however think if nothing is happening they should be stood up after a fair amount of time
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Old 08-29-2010, 09:24 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Nothing against wrestling per se, however if you're not inflicting damage (real damage) or looking to advance ones position, the fight should be stood up quite obviously the pair aren't fighting.
even if you are inflicting damage, it is boring to watch a ground grind for more than 5 minutes.

Unless you are finishing the guy, you shouldnt have infinite time to be on top.

If you want the position again, then you must spend energy to take the person down again.

There needs to be better rules in UFC to make MMA a more appealing sport.

Maybe 20 seconds is not the answer, but something needs to be done to take away the overwhelming advantage of a wrestler being on top for the whole fight.
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Old 08-29-2010, 09:55 PM   #18 (permalink)
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A guy who is on top is exploiting the rules rather than winning a fight if he:

1) Doesn't risk posturing up to do real damage
2) Doesn't risk loosing position by going for a sub
3) Doesn't try to pass into a position where he can do proper damage

A few changes to the rules could stop LnP from working.
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Old 08-29-2010, 10:10 PM   #19 (permalink)
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i dno its kind of a boring ugly way to fight but fair is fair, i personally would not be satisfied with myself winning fights that way if i were an mma fighter

even worse than the maynard vs florian fight was the andre winner fight during the prelims on spike, 3 rounds of that one guy pushing winner up to the cage trying to take him down... zzzZZZzzz
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Old 08-29-2010, 10:13 PM   #20 (permalink)
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A guy who is on top is exploiting the rules rather than winning a fight if he:

1) Doesn't risk posturing up to do real damage
2) Doesn't risk loosing position by going for a sub
3) Doesn't try to pass into a position where he can do proper damage

A few changes to the rules could stop LnP from working.
Hey guys, 1st post on the forum.

Completely agree with this post here by Kritter.

I also think there needs to be a change to the scoring. In the Kenny V Maynard round 1, Kenny throws punches for 4 minutes, granted he doesn't land a lot, he still does a lot more than 1 takedown in the last minute and then 40 odd seconds of LnP.......? How did Maynard win the round on 2 judges scorecards? It makes no sense to me.
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