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Old 09-01-2010, 04:37 PM   #11 (permalink)
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goddamn it.. maynard doesnt stand a chance against the others. not in a real fight, not a goddamn chance in hell against the others. do you know what they can do to a human body? by the third round maynard would lose control of his bowls. he'd be pissing and shitting himself in front of his friends and relatives. its a loss he'd never live down. not until the day he died. it'd be pathetic and goddamn terrible.
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1. Edgar- champion and beat BJ tiwce

2. Maynard - boring fighter but undefeated

3. Melendez

4. Gomi - I just like this guy (biased)

5. Eddie Alvarez
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I personally find it interesting how B.J. was the #1 LW in the world and loses a razor close decison in their first fight with Edgar who wasn't even top 5 at the time...


Than comes back to the rematch and gets completley outclassed, dropping two fights in a row and is still top 5....

Than you got Shinya Aoki who was #2 gets beaten by the guy who was #5 at the time (Melendez) and returns to literally tear Kawajiris foot off his leg in an excellent reshowing of why he's so dangerous, sending Kawajiri to the hospital .... and yet he's out of the top 5 still?

That is absolutly ridiculous.

Shinya Aoki is a monster, and way underrated if you don't see him as top 5 IMO.
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I personally find it interesting how B.J. was the #1 LW in the world and loses a razor close decison in their first fight with Edgar who wasn't even top 5 at the time...


Than comes back to the rematch and gets completley outclassed, dropping two fights in a row and is still top 5....

Than you got Shinya Aoki who was #2 gets beaten by the guy who was #5 at the time (Melendez) and returns to literally tear Kawajiris foot off his leg in an excellent reshowing of why he's so dangerous, sending Kawajiri to the hospital .... and yet he's out of the top 5 still?

That is absolutly ridiculous.

Shinya Aoki is a monster, and way underrated if you don't see him as top 5 IMO.
Cause Aoki sucks. Face it Aoki outclasses crap opponents in Japan cause the refs let him scoot around on his ass. Aoki loses to even gatekeepers like Joe Stevenson in the UFC because the refs won't favor him the way they do in Japan. Plain and simple Aoki would fall out of the top 10 completely if he started fighting full time in the US.
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Cause Aoki sucks. Face it Aoki outclasses crap opponents in Japan cause the refs let him scoot around on his ass. Aoki loses to even gatekeepers like Joe Stevenson in the UFC because the refs won't favor him the way they do in Japan. Plain and simple Aoki would fall out of the top 10 completely if he started fighting full time in the US.
You're in the clouds if you think Joe Stephenson beats Aoki. And the "ref favortism" card is a joke.... I saw him bootyscoot Alvarez to a heel hook but I've seen alot of Aokis fights and he's not getting babied by judges...

Shinya would hurt Joe. And he'd make a joke out of Kenny.
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Butt scooting will never ever work in a cage. Ever. In a ring at least you can cut off the ring and use the corners you can't even do that in a cage. Joe would pick Aoki apart standing and just walk away from butt scootin boogie.. Kenny would tear Aoki apart worse than Mach did. Face it Aoki has no chance outside Japan against any top 15 LW.
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i mean the only "legit" ranking i go by now is fightmatrix. They have Aoki at 2. I personally beileve he should be at 3 behide Melendez and Edgar
1.Edgar
2. Melendaz
3. Aoki
4.Maynard
5. Alveraz
People are giving BJ too much of a benefit of a doubt. 2 straight losses to the same guy, HE OUT OFTHE TOP FIVE. These guys in my top 5 are dominant right now. If BJ wants back in, he is gonna have to earn like everybody else has. Nobody gets special treament is MMA rankings (unless its Zuffadog, i mean Sherdog). Hell to this day i believe that Werdum is the number heavyweight in the world. Despite his past defeats he sumbitted Fedor. He beat the best, therefore he is the best and there aint no way around it. Unless Brock defeat Werdum or Werdum retires then Brock is the number 2 Heavyweight in the world, despite holding the UFC belt.
That the one thing I dont get, is how Zuffa fighters get the best treatment in the rankings. Why is that?
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Even Alvarez who has he really beat? Honestly I think Huerta is the toughest challenge Alvarez has faced in his MMA career. Sadly I also think Aoki's biggest win is over an overrated Alvarez.

Fighters in the UFC I think beat Shinya Aoki,

BJ,
Edgar,
Kenny,
Diego,
Maynard
Stevenson
Sotty
Nate Diaz
Guida
Gomi
Griffen
Sherk
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Old 09-01-2010, 10:17 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Even Alvarez who has he really beat? Honestly I think Huerta is the toughest challenge Alvarez has faced in his MMA career. Sadly I also think Aoki's biggest win is over an overrated Alvarez.

Fighters in the UFC I think beat Shinya Aoki,

BJ,
Edgar,
Kenny,
Diego,
Maynard
Stevenson
Sotty
Nate Diaz
Guida
Gomi
Griffen
Sherk
I think its the other way around if THEY want Aoki's top ten spot, THEY have to beat Aoki. You got it all sorts of twisted. And there are several things wrong with that list beside the UFC favoritism
1. No Ben Henderson?
2.We seen what happens when Joe daddy goes up against a good grappler, imagation what happens if Aoki gets a hold of him
3. Sanchez is Welterweight
4.Griffen? Really?
5 Gomi has shown that the ground game is his weakness. Aoki would just make it more obvious
4.Nate Diaz is welterweight
5.If Ken-flo doesnt get stage fright, he might stand a chance
6. Guida is too damn reckless, Ken-Flo made him pay.
7. If Sherk can layoff the juice. And beside his only wins worth metion is over Karo, Gamburyan, Ken-Flo and Franca. All by descions and by most peoples standard (not mine) that not all that impressive is it?
Soti, Edgar, Maynard and maybe BJ at this point are the only legit compition teh UFC has for Aoki.
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I think its the other way around if THEY want Aoki's top ten spot, THEY have to beat Aoki. You got it all sorts of twisted. And there are several things wrong with that list beside the UFC favoritism
Its not UFC favoritism I just think Aoki is garbage. I think there are more SF fighters besides Melendez who whoop him to, like Thompson and Noons.

1. No Ben Henderson?
I was just saying who in the UFC would beat him, I also think Bendo could but that is neither here nor there.
2.We seen what happens when Joe daddy goes up against a good grappler, imagation what happens if Aoki gets a hold of him

Its a lot easier to avoid somebody when you not worried about them punching you in the face, Kenny threatened with strikes which makes it much easier to take somebody down.

3. Sanchez is Welterweight He fought at LW before and should be moving back after his last fight.

4.Griffen? Really?
Griffen has faily good boxing and good enough wrestling to prevent being taken down. Your really underestimating how much easier it is to stuff a TD when you know what they are trying. Why do you think Maia had nothing for Silva?

5 Gomi has shown that the ground game is his weakness. Aoki would just make it more obvious
If Gomi is on he can avoid the TD long enough to knock Aoki out. This one is admittedly little iffy because it depends on how Gomi shows up.
4.Nate Diaz is welterweight He had two fights at WW and despite the fact I think its a better fit for him he has stated he intends to move back down.
5.If Ken-flo doesnt get stage fright, he might stand a chance This is the kind of fight Kenny is made for its not stage fright Kenny just looks great kicking B fighters asses.
6. Guida is too damn reckless, Ken-Flo made him pay.
Again Kenny is dangerous cause he can stand and grapple, the fact Aoki can't threaten with Strikes makes his game so predictable that he is easy to avoid.
7. If Sherk can layoff the juice. And beside his only wins worth metion is over Karo, Gamburyan, Ken-Flo and Franca. All by descions and by most peoples standard (not mine) that not all that impressive is it? Sherk has great wrestling and solid boxing, Aoki is no taking him down which means he is getting peppered. Every single one of Sherks losses is to a former of current champ, he has wins over Tyson Griffen, Karo, Kenny, Nick Diaz and Benji Radach. Sherk is a tough SOB and people seem to have forgotten just how good Sherk was.

Soti, Edgar, Maynard and maybe BJ at this point are the only legit compition teh UFC has for Aoki.

Aoki doesn't stand a chance against any of those guys, BJ would decimate Aoki so bad it wouldn't even be funny. BJ is probably just as good a grappler as Aoki never mind the top notch TD defense and packing more than enough stand up skill and power to send Aoki's lights out. If Mach made him bawl like a baby BJ would make him cry like a 5 year old girl who has been covered in gasoline and lit on fire.
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