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Old 09-02-2010, 12:26 AM   #31 (permalink)
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No Aoki's problem has he only has one game and he is not that good at getting the fight down. He needs it down but can't do it. its incredibly hard to take a guy down when you do not have good take downs and you can't even strike good enough to set it up. I would call his striking horrible but fighters like Demian Maia with horrible striking would be offended. Andy fighter in the US with a wrestling base is gonna be able to keep it standing, any fighter with a good jab is gonna be able to maintain distance. Alvarez would beat Aoki down if that fight happened in SF (I still think Alvarez is a little overrated as well). The unified rules get a lot of flack for favoring wrestlers but the Japanese scene is just as bad for favoring Aoki. How does he not earn a yellow card scooting around on his butt? Aoki is the single most overrated fighter not only in the LHW division but in MMA overall. In a grappling match Aoki could probably destroy 99% of the division (really BJ and Vitor Riberio are the only real challenges I can see) but in MMA he should be forced to bring the fight there not just scoot around on his butt throwing a temper tantrum trying to get the fight to the ground. I don't understand how the japanese can punish wrestlers for stalling if they just hold there opponent down to prevent them from doing anything from the bottom but allow Aoki to scoot on his butt in order merely prevent his opponent from being able to expose his shit striking. Actually I do understand its blatant favortism for there poster boy.
Aoki not only shoots in but he jumps and pulls guard from almost any standing position.

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The difference is that Anderson Silva and BJ Penn have been fighting top competition. Aoki has been fighting lesser competition in Japan for a long time. As soon as he stepped up to good competition, he got owned.
JZ, Ribiero, Alvarez, and Kawajiri are excellent competition to name a few.
Aoki lost to Melendez because Melendez is that good.
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Aoki not only shoots in but he jumps and pulls guard from almost any standing position.



JZ, Ribiero, Alvarez, and Kawajiri are excellent competition to name a few.
Aoki lost to Melendez because Melendez is that good.
JZ, Ribiero, Alvarez, and Kawajiri are ranked high why? Because they beat some lesser competition in Japan? They are not top competition. They have never beaten a top fighter in Strikeforce or the UFC and they never will. It's a house of cards. Aoki is good because he beat these guys. These guys are good because they beat other lesser fighters in Japan. When you start with the fact that the other guys they beat aren't any good. The whole thing falls down. Aoki and Ribiero each lost in their only fight in Strikeforce. Alavarez's toughest fight was against thompson, and he lost.
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JZ, Ribiero, Alvarez, and Kawajiri are ranked high why? Because they beat some lesser competition in Japan? They are not top competition. They have never beaten a top fighter in Strikeforce or the UFC and they never will. It's a house of cards. Aoki is good because he beat these guys. These guys are good because they beat other lesser fighters in Japan. When you start with the fact that the other guys they beat aren't any good. The whole thing falls down. Aoki and Ribiero each lost in their only fight in Strikeforce. Alavarez's toughest fight was against thompson, and he lost.
isnt that how everyone starts out? Didnt Anderson start out fightin g lesser comp, there is a laundry list of top tier fighters, in and outside the UFC, that starts out that way. you think gsp started with rich franklin or evan tanner as his first match? hell no. so by your logic if we start out fighting lesser comp then we suck? its a chain basically. one guy who has fought lesser comp fights another guy who "crushed cans", this fight determines the best. over time this will accumilate and the talent wiil get deeper. this same guys that were top dog back in the day (coleman) will be the stepping stone for the mma stars of tommorrow. Guys like Aoki, Alveraz, Edgar etc, are the new stars of today. BJ Penn was the steppin stone for Edgar as Hughes was to Penn. Its all a cycle that wont be broken.
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isnt that how everyone starts out? Didnt Anderson start out fightin g lesser comp, there is a laundry list of top tier fighters, in and outside the UFC, that starts out that way. you think gsp started with rich franklin or evan tanner as his first match? hell no. so by your logic if we start out fighting lesser comp then we suck? its a chain basically. one guy who has fought lesser comp fights another guy who "crushed cans", this fight determines the best. over time this will accumilate and the talent wiil get deeper. this same guys that were top dog back in the day (coleman) will be the stepping stone for the mma stars of tommorrow. Guys like Aoki, Alveraz, Edgar etc, are the new stars of today. BJ Penn was the steppin stone for Edgar as Hughes was to Penn. Its all a cycle that wont be broken.
You are talking about getting started. Aoki is not getting started; he is well into his career. GSP fought his way up and then took on the best in his division. Aoki started fighting cans, and then went on to fight guys who were descent. Other than Melendez he has yet to fight top guys, so he doesn't deserve to be top 5. Aoki never beat any of those other fighters to propel him stardom. I don't think you can consider BJ a stepping stone either. Edgar won the title not used him to climb through the ranks, which is what a stepping stone is. If Aoki was young in the sport and looking to fight top competition that would be one thing, but a guy like that isn't considered top 5 in his weight class.
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JZ, Ribiero, Alvarez, and Kawajiri are ranked high why? Because they beat some lesser competition in Japan? They are not top competition. They have never beaten a top fighter in Strikeforce or the UFC and they never will. It's a house of cards. Aoki is good because he beat these guys. These guys are good because they beat other lesser fighters in Japan. When you start with the fact that the other guys they beat aren't any good. The whole thing falls down. Aoki and Ribiero each lost in their only fight in Strikeforce. Alavarez's toughest fight was against thompson, and he lost.
First and formost Alvarez's loss to Nick Thompson has no bearing on this topic due to the fact that Alvarez and Thompson's fight was a 170 lb welterweight bout.

That's equivelant to me saying that B.J. Penn got beaten twice by GSP and gassed and blasted by Hughes in their rematch... we are discussing LW rankings. So let's keep that in mind.


Now let's take Gray Maynard for example.... An absolute NOBODY before he fought and lost in TUF.

The majority of his victorys... he fights ...

TUF contestants

Emerson (TUF),
RIch Clementi (TUF)
Nate Diaz (TUF)
Jim Miller (TUF)
Kenny Florian (TUF)

And his victory over Edgar, which he did earn.

Gray Maynards record.....10-0

1 TKO
8 DECISIONS
1- other


The majority of his wins are over TUF contestants that are widley known yes.. Now I'm not knocking Gray Maynard here... I think he's definatly a top 10 LW....so don't get that misconstrued.

Yet you got Shinya not only beating but finishing world champions from multiple organizations...

Ribiero-4 time BJJ world champion.......(20-4)
Kawajiri- Held the Shooto WW championship defended it 3 times.....(26-6)
Alvarez -Bellator-Tournament Champion- LW world champion (20-2)
JZ Cavalcante- K1 Heros middleweight tournament champion (15-3-1)
Kikuchi-Shooto middleweight champion.... (16-4)

Shinya Aokis record.....24-5

15- Submissions
1-TKO
6- Decisions
2-Other


You're going to tell me that somebody is fighting lesser competition here and it's Aoki? The one and only reason I rank Maynard higher than Aoki at this point is because he holds a victory over Frankie Edgar. If Edgar avenges that loss Maynard would definatly be bumped from the top 5.

WIth that said, Aoki is definatly top 5 in the world.
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First and formost Alvarez's loss to Nick Thompson has no bearing on this topic due to the fact that Alvarez and Thompson's fight was a 170 lb welterweight bout.

That's equivelant to me saying that B.J. Penn got beaten twice by GSP and gassed and blasted by Hughes in their rematch... we are discussing LW rankings. So let's keep that in mind.


Now let's take Gray Maynard for example.... An absolute NOBODY before he fought and lost in TUF.

The majority of his victorys... he fights ...

TUF contestants

Emerson (TUF),
RIch Clementi (TUF)
Nate Diaz (TUF)
Jim Miller (TUF)
Kenny Florian (TUF)

And his victory over Edgar, which he did earn.

Gray Maynards record.....10-0

1 TKO
8 DECISIONS
1- other


The majority of his wins are over TUF contestants that are widley known yes.. Now I'm not knocking Gray Maynard here... I think he's definatly a top 10 LW....so don't get that misconstrued.

Yet you got Shinya not only beating but finishing world champions from multiple organizations...

Ribiero-4 time BJJ world champion.......(20-4)
Kawajiri- Held the Shooto WW championship defended it 3 times.....(26-6)
Alvarez -Bellator-Tournament Champion- LW world champion (20-2)
JZ Cavalcante- K1 Heros middleweight tournament champion (15-3-1)
Kikuchi-Shooto middleweight champion.... (16-4)

Shinya Aokis record.....24-5

15- Submissions
1-TKO
6- Decisions
2-Other


You're going to tell me that somebody is fighting lesser competition here and it's Aoki? The one and only reason I rank Maynard higher than Aoki at this point is because he holds a victory over Frankie Edgar. If Edgar avenges that loss Maynard would definatly be bumped from the top 5.

WIth that said, Aoki is definatly top 5 in the world.
A shooto title is meaningless, its kinda like being the king of pancrease these days in that its meaningless. The KOTC title means more at this point. I already outlined that I think Alvarez is over rated and that I think Huerta is a step up in competition for him that he won't be able to handle. The only win you named that impresses me at all is Rierio but that only impresses me due to how Aoki won. Subbing a grappler of that level is impressive but its not like he was avoiding grappling.

The only guy Aoki even beat who has any kinda of wrestling is Alvarez, most Japansese fighters have horrible wrestling so Aoki is obviously able to capitalize that but your average fighter who competes in the US LW division has a vastly superior wrestling game than there Japanese counter parts. Do you honestly not see the difference in wrestling ability between guys like Kawajiri or Kikuchi and guys like Frankie Edgar and Clay Guida? Do you not see how the Japanese officials refusal to make Aoki actually stand up gives him an unfair advantage?
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A shooto title is meaningless, its kinda like being the king of pancrease these days in that its meaningless. The KOTC title means more at this point.
Notable fighers who have competed in Shooto....

Jake Shields
Kawajiri
Gilbert Melendez
Takanori Gomi
Vitor RIbeiro
Anderson Silva
Joachim Hansen
Hayato Sakurai
Shinya Aoki
Kid Yamamoto

And a good handfull of other recognizable names... in order to receive titles you had to go through guys like this...that's just between LW and MW.... You just sound biased.


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I already outlined that I think Alvarez is over rated and that I think Huerta is a step up in competition for him that he won't be able to handle
Roger Huerta?? And who exactly has Roger Huerta defeated for you to make this claim?

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The only win you named that impresses me at all is Rierio
That's because you are not paying attention to underrated top talent..

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but that only impresses me due to how Aoki won. Subbing a grappler of that level is impressive
Riberio competed in the ADCC world championship in 00 and 03...He's also won the BJJ world championships 4 times...Shooto Champion... and he has won A Cage Rage title as well..

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The only guy Aoki even beat who has any kinda of wrestling is Alvarez,
Alvarez has solid wrestiling yes..


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most Japansese fighters have horrible wrestling so Aoki is obviously able to capitalize that but your average fighter who competes in the US LW division has a vastly superior wrestling game than there Japanese counter parts
That sounds good in theory, but they have massive jitz and Aoki is subbing guys that are champions on the ground... he's not a traditional BJJ player, hes a jiu jitsu mma bone breaker, he'd do to Guida what Maia did to Sonnen... Because your boy Guida has shown the potential to be submitted by lesser calibur jitz players...

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Do you honestly not see the difference in wrestling ability between guys like Kawajiri or Kikuchi and guys like Frankie Edgar and Clay Guida?
You do realize that Kikuchi has defeated Jake Shields.... and Jake Shields is a world class grappler...

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Do you not see how the Japanese officials refusal to make Aoki actually stand up gives him an unfair advantage?
He booty scooted in the Alvarez fight... but you're trying to make it out to be his signature move...

Shina Aoki grabs your limbs and pulls guard or goes straight to a submission lock..
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Notable fighers who have competed in Shooto....

Jake Shields
Kawajiri
Gilbert Melendez
Takanori Gomi
Vitor RIbeiro
Anderson Silva
Joachim Hansen
Hayato Sakurai
Shinya Aoki
Kid Yamamoto

And a good handfull of other recognizable names... in order to receive titles you had to go through guys like this...that's just between LW and MW.... You just sound biased.
There is a difference between fighting in Shooto when your coming up in the sport and fighting in it in your prime.

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Roger Huerta?? And who exactly has Roger Huerta defeated for you to make this claim?
Huerta really hasn't beat anybody but he has held his own with some good fighters.

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That's because you are not paying attention to underrated top talent..
Or I am paying attention but actually think many of them are overrated due to not being that well rounded.


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Riberio competed in the ADCC world championship in 00 and 03...He's also won the BJJ world championships 4 times...Shooto Champion... and he has won A Cage Rage title as well..
Did you miss the part where I said that the fact he submitted Riberio was extremely impressive.





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That sounds good in theory, but they have massive jitz and Aoki is subbing guys that are champions on the ground... he's not a traditional BJJ player, hes a jiu jitsu mma bone breaker, he'd do to Guida what Maia did to Sonnen... Because your boy Guida has shown the potential to be submitted by lesser calibur jitz players...
Your missing my point, I am not saying Aoki doesn't have great jitz I am saying he doesn't have the striking to set up the TD or good enough TD's to force it against a solid wrestler without being able to scoot around on his but like he did against Alvarez and tried against Melendez.

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You do realize that Kikuchi has defeated Jake Shields.... and Jake Shields is a world class grappler...
You do realize that was 6 years ago and Shields has improved vastly since that time right?

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He booty scooted in the Alvarez fight... but you're trying to make it out to be his signature move...

Shina Aoki grabs your limbs and pulls guard or goes straight to a submission lock..
No he pulls guard and grabs limbs against inferior fighters without the ability to defend his weak ass takedowns, against a fighter with solid enough wrestling to keep it standing he flops around like a fish out of water with his ridiculous butt scoots.
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There is a difference between fighting in Shooto when your coming up in the sport and fighting in it in your prime.

Huerta really hasn't beat anybody but he has held his own with some good fighters.

Or I am paying attention but actually think many of them are overrated due to not being that well rounded.


Did you miss the part where I said that the fact he submitted Riberio was extremely impressive.

Your missing my point, I am not saying Aoki doesn't have great jitz I am saying he doesn't have the striking to set up the TD or good enough TD's to force it against a solid wrestler without being able to scoot around on his but like he did against Alvarez and tried against Melendez.

You do realize that was 6 years ago and Shields has improved vastly since that time right?


No he pulls guard and grabs limbs against inferior fighters without the ability to defend his weak ass takedowns, against a fighter with solid enough wrestling to keep it standing he flops around like a fish out of water with his ridiculous butt scoots.
I think you like Aoki Toxic.... you're just having a hard time admitting it.
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Aoki and the other Dream fighters will never be able to hack in the UFC or Strikeforce against the top fighters. When Dream closes it's doors, my guess is they will hide in Sengoku.
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