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post #1 of 4 (permalink) Old 09-01-2010, 07:45 PM Thread Starter
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Is the rubber guard overrated?

As we all know, Eddie Bravo disciple Joe Rogan rants and raves about the effectiveness of the brainchild of his mentor.

Recently, the rubber guard has come into its own in MMA, with several fighters throwing it up from time to time. The question is, is it overrated?

More often than not, the rubber guard seems to fail more than it is successful. The hard part seems to be actually establishing the position, and beyond that it seems to be 50/50 whether the guard player will be able to mount offence from the position.

BJ is a known user of it, but has not really had much success with it other than negating offence for a few moments, BUT the rubber guard isn't the butterfly guard. It's an offensive position, not a defensive one. Simply because maintaining the position in a defensive matter would be much harder than working for a sub or sweep.

George Sotiroupolous, Dustin Hazelett and Shinya Aoki are the guys who off the top of my head have used it with success. But even then, the success rate is probably below 50%. Both Hazelett and George have done brilliant work with omaplata sweeps, Hazelett using his to set up a brillian submission, but Aoki really is the kingpin of the rubber guard in MMA, usually throwing up some crazy submission within seconds of establishing it.

HOWEVA, the majority of people seem to have watched an Eddie Bravo instruction guide and hopelessly throw it up with no real aim. We've seen it countless times, then Rogan makes some point about not being flexible enough to do it.

So my question to you is, Rubber Guard, yay or nay?
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post #2 of 4 (permalink) Old 09-01-2010, 08:37 PM
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well the rubber guard is a great tool the problem is people are more aware of it now and are better able to defend against it get out of it or stop it from ever happening. just like everything else fall into a pattern and people will know what to expect.

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Whoops, is there anyway to add in a poll?
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I don't really understand what your question is. Calling it overrated because most of the people who use it in MMA aren't really adept at working it doesn't make sense. That is like saying takedowns are overrated because most guys don't chain attempts together and don't get them when the first one fails. Your effectiveness at any position in grappling is relative to how hard you work to develop your skills in that position.
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