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Old 09-04-2010, 08:57 PM   #11 (permalink)
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yeah. margarito is more or less a cheater i gotta agree. similar to oiling yourself in mma.

margarito might put stones/glass in his wraps when he fights pacquiao
He'd still get the shit kicked out of him, lol.
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Old 09-04-2010, 09:14 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Don't they examine the gloves in boxing?
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Old 09-04-2010, 09:39 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Don't they examine the gloves in boxing?
dont they check for greasing in mma?

ps margarito and his coach were banned for a year after the incident
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No one was found guilty of that and it was called an accident!
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scheduled bouts:

Super Six bouts

Jean Pascal vs Bernard Hopkins Dec 11

Pacquiao vs Margarito promoter Bob Arum

Devon Alexander vs Timothy Bradley Jan 29

Amir Khan vs Marcos Maidana golden boy promotions

Juan Manuel Lopez vs Rafael Marques in autumn

Montiel vs Donaire in Nov, Bob Arum promoter

Juan Manuel Marques vs Katsidis

challenges:

Haye vs a Klitschko

Pacquiao vs Mayweather

Cotto vs Berto

Caballero vs Gamboa
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Old 11-28-2010, 12:48 PM   #16 (permalink)
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megafights remaining:

David Haye vs the Klitschkos

Jean Pascal vs Carl Forch

Floyd Mayweather vs Manny Pacquiao

Juan Manuel Marquez vs light-welterweight champion

Chris John vs Juan Manuel Lopez

Montiel vs Donaire

Kokietgym vs Narvaez
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megafights remaining:

David Haye vs the Klitschkos

Jean Pascal vs Carl Forch

Floyd Mayweather vs Manny Pacquiao

Juan Manuel Marquez vs light-welterweight champion

Chris John vs Juan Manuel Lopez

Montiel vs Donaire

Kokietgym vs Narvaez
Pascal and Froch are in diff divisions. Ward V winner of Froch\Johnson will be much bigger. With the winner (Ward) fighting Lucian Bute to be the undisputed super-middle Champion.

Nobody near lightweight comes close to Juan Manuel Marquez.

Chris John won't fight a live body, so I guess the winner of Lopez V Gamboa when it happens will be the undisputed feather champ.

Donaire has a lot of big names in the lower weights to fight, but he won't take any of them on. He is the best little man by a long way though.

Paul Williams being crushed confirms Martinez as the undisputed middleweight champion.

Pacquaio V Mayweather has to happen to confirm the undisputed welter and P4P champion, but Berto also needs to be taken out (the only real young blood left there, but both would handle him rather easily).

Finally, the only talent left in boxing other than that mentioned above is then left to the Super lights (Jr welters), where the 4 are fighting eachother and hopefully the winners can fight out of the Kahn/Madaina and Bradley/Alexander matchups to confirm the undisputed super light champion..

Boxing has to do 2 things, collapse the weight divisions, no more Jr or Super divisions. But most importantly, have 1 champion per division again.

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Pascal and Froch are in diff divisions. Ward V winner of Froch\Johnson will be much bigger. With the winner (Ward) fighting Lucian Bute to be the undisputed super-middle Champion.

Nobody near lightweight comes close to Juan Manuel Marquez.

Chris John won't fight a live body, so I guess the winner of Lopez V Gamboa when it happens will be the undisputed feather champ.

Donaire has a lot of big names in the lower weights to fight, but he won't take any of them on. He is the best little man by a long way though.

Paul Williams being crushed confirms Martinez as the undisputed middleweight champion.

Pacquaio V Mayweather has to happen to confirm the undisputed welter and P4P champion, but Berto also needs to be taken out (the only real young blood left there, but both would handle him rather easily).

Finally, the only talent left in boxing other than that mentioned above is then left to the Super lights (Jr welters), where the 4 are fighting eachother and hopefully the winners can fight out of the Kahn/Madaina and Bradley/Alexander matchups to confirm the undisputed super light champion..

Boxing has to do 2 things, collapse the weight divisions, no more Jr or Super divisions. But most importantly, have 1 champion per division again.
well, fyi Froch beat Pascal before, and they were both thinking of a rematch. Froch may have no interest in going up though so it may not happen. i am aware that froch is still in the super six semi-final and has a huge fight with ward ahead.

you say nobody comes close to JMM, but katsidis knocked him down, its vulnerability right there. and pacquiao will beat him in the 3rd match i believe.

sad news to me about chris john. hes a damn talented indonesian hes like bruce lee.

the winner of junior welterweights probably fights JMM.
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well, fyi Froch beat Pascal before, and they were both thinking of a rematch. Froch may have no interest in going up though so it may not happen. i am aware that froch is still in the super six semi-final and has a huge fight with ward ahead.

you say nobody comes close to JMM, but katsidis knocked him down, its vulnerability right there. and pacquiao will beat him in the 3rd match i believe.

sad news to me about chris john. hes a damn talented indonesian hes like bruce lee.

the winner of junior welterweights probably fights JMM.
Yeh, but if Pascal gets past BHOP, he still has a rematch with Dawson to do and also a fight with Cloud at LHW before even bothering wih Super middles.

JMM has been dropped numerous times before. But he was still far superior technically to Katsidis, as per Diaz before him. Though Pac is too big for JMM now, so doubt a 3rd fight will happen. Sounds like it's probably Pac V Mosley next (sadly, as Mosley is washed up now).

Agree, winner of Jr Welters should fight JMM, though doubt the later has too many fights left in his old legs.
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For a second, I thought this thread was going to demand some sort of nuance. It's different than most boxing/MMA threads.

That said, the answer is fairly straightforward.


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now why wont a promotion, similar to zuffa, pick up the fighter contracts, have them all fight on cards couple of times per year, unify all the belts and do shows all over the world like the ufc in USA, Russia, Mexico, japan, Germany, Poland, Puerto Rico, the Phillipines, Thailand, Canada and Panama?? they would have top 10 rankings, have more viewers, make loads of money, have the fights people want to see etc.
The logistics of navigating this kind of an organization would be absolutely impossible. Set aside the theories about how Floyd Mayweather (and others) don't actually want to fight the top competition and just think about the money.

The startup costs for signing the major boxers in any one weightclass would be in the low nine figures, at least. Floyd, Pacquiao, even relatively small names like Josh Clottey, get paid eight figure salaries for individuals fights. Putting together a substantial roster with guys like this would be basically impossible, and probably not sustainable unless you had an absolutely enormous bank of donors backing the company.

Thai boxers are cheaper, but they present another problem altogether. That problem is the prolific nature of Thai fighters. Many of them want to fight on a regular basis, which makes putting on major cards with them difficult, it makes building dynasties difficult (because it significantly shortens their career in terms of years and makes them more inclined to losses) and it makes signing them to exclusive contracts very difficult.

Boxers have their own problems with contract exclusivity, but under your hypothetical, I think that problem (finding quality opponents and going to other promoters when they can) would largely be resolved.

MMA fighters have all of these problems.

If there was a person with a billion dollars starting budget and substantial relationships with the most respected coaches in boxing, I'd say it could be done. But I'm pretty sure that person doesn't exist (and there are a few reasons why I think that person can't exist, especially with regard to the second condition) so I think that this isn't really a possibility.
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