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Old 09-03-2010, 11:36 PM   #1 (permalink)
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now this thread i think is half boxing and half mma. if the mods and super mods feel like it belongs more to boxing, please move it there, i am not sure how to move it to the boxing forum

in mma obviously ufc is the leader and the promoter. in boxing there is no single promotions, and the titles are shared by different orgs (theres about twice or thrice as much weightclasses, and for every weightclass theres about 5 different champions) but this is what i think they should do:

unify some of the weightclasses: Heavyweight, Cruiserweight+lightheavyweight, middleweight+super middleweight, superwelterweight+welterweight, super lightweight+lightweight, superfeatheweight+featherweight, superbantamweight+bantamweight, superflyweight+flyweight

then unify the different belts
they should set up a tournament and have inaugural champions, and have the tournament winner fight the champion.

Heavyweight: the Klitschko will stay champs for now, and should unify the belts with David Haye
Cruiserweight/Lightheavyweight- the poles control this division. since Adamek's move to heavyweight, Kryz Wlodar. should be the next champ, all others tournament
Middleweight/supermiddleweight- the winner of the super6 tournament (probably Andre Ward) should be declared the champion, and the Germans should have their own tournament to find a challenger(Stieglitz, Sartison, Sturm, Sylvester, Zbik, Martinez from argentina)
welterweight-they should make a supersix tournament for p4p greats (Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquiao, Shane Moseley, Paul Willians, Andre Berto, Miguel Cotto) it would sell huge
lightweight/super lightweight: Juan Manuel Marques as champ
featherweight/superfeatherweight:the champion should either be Chris John, Gamboa, or Juan Manuel Lopez.
all lower weightclasses: the Thai fighters should be champs in all weights (Poonsawat of bantamweight and Pongsaklek of flyweight and Oleydong of strawweight) all others should put in a tournament

now imagine those as champions: Wladimir Klitschko,Kryz. Wlodar., Andre Ward, Floyd Mayweather, Juan Manuel Marquez, Juan Manuel Lopez and the thai champions would all be fighting under one org.

now why wont a promotion, similar to zuffa, pick up the fighter contracts, have them all fight on cards couple of times per year, unify all the belts and do shows all over the world like the ufc in USA, Russia, Mexico, japan, Germany, Poland, Puerto Rico, the Phillipines, Thailand, Canada and Panama?? they would have top 10 rankings, have more viewers, make loads of money, have the fights people want to see etc.

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Old 09-03-2010, 11:55 PM   #2 (permalink)
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http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question...4050507AAGhdU0 I'm not sure how accurate it is but it sounds like it could be true. I'm not really interested in it enough to further investigate it, sorry lol. But yeah, I guess that's how the multiple organizations ermerged. As for weight classes I'm pretty sure the reason so many emerged was because boxing became really popular and it could fill all of the weight classes. To be honest though I don't think even getting rid of some weight classes would be enough for boxing at this point. I consider myself to be pretty "into" the fight game and I haven't heard of half the guys on your list. Obviously I'm into MMA and a little into boxing, I'm into the sport of boxing (participating in it), just I don't watch any of it unless it's a huge fight. And if I haven't heard of these guys, I really doubt that a more casual person has. The mindset of everyone has already been in the process of changing into an MMA mindset for too long now, I think.

And just to add. The UFC is the largest and it's titles do hold the most weight but I'd say DREAM titles hold a good amount of weight too. You'll probably always have multiple orgs. I get what you're saying though and I agree, UFC title means more. Just wanted to add that there are other titles that are close.
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I don't think that kind've crossover is going to take place after Toney got destroyed by Randy!
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Old 09-04-2010, 12:10 AM   #4 (permalink)
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http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question...4050507AAGhdU0 I'm not sure how accurate it is but it sounds like it could be true. I'm not really interested in it enough to further investigate it, sorry lol. But yeah, I guess that's how the multiple organizations ermerged. As for weight classes I'm pretty sure the reason so many emerged was because boxing became really popular and it could fill all of the weight classes. To be honest though I don't think even getting rid of some weight classes would be enough for boxing at this point. I consider myself to be pretty "into" the fight game and I haven't heard of half the guys on your list. Obviously I'm into MMA and a little into boxing, I'm into the sport of boxing (participating in it), just I don't watch any of it unless it's a huge fight. And if I haven't heard of these guys, I really doubt that a more casual person has. The mindset of everyone has already been in the process of changing into an MMA mindset for too long now, I think.

And just to add. The UFC is the largest and it's titles do hold the most weight but I'd say DREAM titles hold a good amount of weight too. You'll probably always have multiple orgs. I get what you're saying though and I agree, UFC title means more. Just wanted to add that there are other titles that are close.
im in the same boat as you. im much more into mma then boxing, and know only few of the names. i know the klitschkos control the heavyweight division and wont fight each other (machida-anderson silva, koscheck-fitch etc situations).

David Haye was the best cruiserweight/lightheavyweight and went up a weightclass to challenge them (think shogun challenging lesnar). then at lightheavyweight I guess the most succesful guy is Jean Pascal the canadian, i havent really watched the other guys. at supermiddleweight/middleweight i watched some of the super6 and it looks like andre ward is by far the best in the weightclass. at welterweight you have floyd mayweather who you probably heard from alot, along with manny pacquiao, paul williams (stefan struve of welterweights), andre berto and miguel cotto who are all huge names. at lightweight you have manuel marques who was the last guy floyd mayweather fought. and then you have the tiny guys but a guy from thailand having 75 wins or something on the record
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Old 09-04-2010, 12:03 PM   #6 (permalink)
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all they need is a single big promotion that will make the champions fight each other and unify the belts. here are the current promotions:

Golden Boy Promotions (Los Angeles)- Oscar De La Hoya, David Haye, Bernard Hopkins, Winky Wright, Chris John, Amir khan, Juan Manuel Marques, Floyd Mayweather Jr, Shane Moseley, Manny Pacquiao, Ricky Hatton, Marcos Maidana, Andrei Arlovski

Top Rank/Bob Arum (Las Vegas): Samuel Peter, Gamboa, Miguel Cotto, David Diaz, Nonito Donaire, Yuri Foreman, Juan Manuel Lopez, Fernando Montiel, Kelly Pavlik, Manny Pacquiao

Goosen Tutor(California): James Toney, Chris Arreola, Andre Ward, Paul Williams

Don King productions : Valuev, Briggs, Cunningham, Mayorga, Devon Alexander, Nate Campbell

Gary Shaw Productions: Vernon Forrest, Vic Darchinyan, Chad Dawson, Rafael Marques, Timothy Bradley, Dirrell,Sergiy Dzindziruk, Kimbo Slice

Universum (Hamburg, Germany):Klitschkos, Chagaev, Dimitrenko, Felix Sturm, Brahmer, Sartison, Zbik,

what would happen if Golden Boy Promotions and Top Rank unite to make one huge boxing promotion? they would have every great boxer except the Russians, Germans, Andre Ward, Paul Williams and James Toney.
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Oscar De La Hoya is retired, Don King is nowhere near trustable now, and Shaw is an MMA wanaby who inherited it from his father!
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there are some upcoming fights that could unify the belts

HW

David Haye vs a Klitschko- David Haye is planning on fighting a klitschko, probably Wladimir, in an attempt to unify the belts. though he belongs at cruiserweight with the likes of Adamek, he believes he can make a bigger name at heavyweight.

Cruiserweight

a rematch between Steve Cunningham and Adamek could be the biggest fight at the weight class as they both beat all the other champions.

Lightheavyweight

Jean Pascal vs Carl Froch- a rematch that Pascal might be interested in after Carl Froch finishes the super six tournament

Jean Pascal vs Bernard Hopkins- could be important in legitimizing Pascal in boxing, after Pascal already beat Dawson, Piaconu (twice)

Supermiddleweight

the Super Six tournament is a tournament between 6 legends of the division.

Middleweight

Paul Williams vs Floyd Mayweather Jr- since Floyd wants to go up and win a title at middleweight, this would be a great matchup against the tall paul williams.

Felix Sturm vs Manny Pacquiao- if Pacquiao does like Mayweather and goes up in weght, this is his most likely matchup

Superwelterweight

Floyd Mayweather vs Manny Pacquiao- this is the biggest boxing match potentially in the world right now. their last fight was at superwelterweight, though they could fight at any weight all the way to lightweight and maybe below

Manny Pacquiao vs Antonio Margarito- Pacquiao is more of a featherweight/lightweight fighter that likes to go up and fight at the welterweight divisions. Margarito has a win over Cotto. Paquiao is the clear favorite here

Cotto vs Berto- Andre Berto expressed interest in moving up to superwelterweight to challenge Miguel Cotto. Cotto has wins over Zab Judah and Shane Moseley. Cotto should be the clear favorite.

Superlightweight

the winner of Devon Alexander vs Timothy Bradley and of Amir Khan vs Marcos Maidana will probably face each other, giving 3 high caliber figts in the division to crown the unified champion.

Juan Manuel Marques vs winner of above championships- since Marques will have no problem to unify the lightweight championship, he will go up in weight to fight the champion @ superlightweight. Marques is a natural featherweight who likes to fight in the lightweight divisions.

Featherweight

Juan Manuel Lopez vs Rafael Marques- Manuel Lopez is one of the greats p4p

Celestino Caballero vs Gamboa- Celestino plans to go up a weightclass to challenge the undefeated Gamboa

Superflyweight

Fernando Montiel vs Nonito Donaire/Vic Darchinyan- Montiel who went up and won the bantamweight title, is interested in going back down and challenging one of those two greats

edit: it seems the batntamweight, superfeatherweight and welterweight division is emptying out in terms of interest

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there are some upcoming fights that could unify the belts



Floyd Mayweather vs Manny Pacquiao

Manny Pacquiao vs Antonio Margarito- Pacquiao is more of a featherweight/lightweight fighter that likes to go up and fight at the welterweight divisions. Margarito has a win over Cotto.

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Wasn't he accused of packing his gloves or something? what happened with that?
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Wasn't he accused of packing his gloves or something? what happened with that?
yeah. margarito is more or less a cheater i gotta agree. similar to oiling yourself in mma.

margarito might put stones/glass in his wraps when he fights pacquiao
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