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09-14-2010, 12:05 AM
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Frank vs Ken for sure. Even though Ken was bigger I would have still picked Frank. Word is that when they were at the lion's den together Frank used to beat on Ken. Tito actually worked with Frank a lot leading up to the first Shamrock fight and picked a lot of things up that he used to take Ken apart.
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When Ken and Frank were both in the Lions Den all interviews I have ever read said that Ken beat on everyone including Frank. Its when Ken left the den with Frank in charge during his WWF days that Frank who formed a bond with Maurice Smith who had come to the den to learn the ground game started to really examine the different martial arts and try to build to become a really well rounded fighter. Its these training methods that got him kicked out of the Den upon Ken's return. That said I don't believe when they were in the Den Frank could beat Ken and had Ken stayed in the Den (or if Frank had for that matter)Frank would likely have never became the fighter he did.
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09-14-2010, 12:21 AM
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When Ken and Frank were both in the Lions Den all interviews I have ever read said that Ken beat on everyone including Frank. Its when Ken left the den with Frank in charge during his WWF days that Frank who formed a bond with Maurice Smith who had come to the den to learn the ground game started to really examine the different martial arts and try to build to become a really well rounded fighter. Its these training methods that got him kicked out of the Den upon Ken's return. That said I don't believe when they were in the Den Frank could beat Ken and had Ken stayed in the Den (or if Frank had for that matter)Frank would likely have never became the fighter he did.
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That's interesting. I've always heard that Ken would beat on the guys before they could get into the den, but that Frank used to beat Ken rolling and sparring. Who knows though, it's not like either Shamrock would ever give the real story anyway.
Still would rather have seen Shogun vs Wand.
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09-14-2010, 12:34 AM
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09-14-2010, 12:42 AM
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Considering that Severn is still fighting, that old fart fight could still happen. Also if Diaz ever went to the UFC I'm sure that fight with Hughes would be possible as well! 
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09-14-2010, 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Life B Ez
That's interesting. I've always heard that Ken would beat on the guys before they could get into the den, but that Frank used to beat Ken rolling and sparring. Who knows though, it's not like either Shamrock would ever give the real story anyway.
Still would rather have seen Shogun vs Wand.
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I have heard from vernon white in a interview i saw a long time ago was that ken just beat up everyone. I also tend to believe what ken says more than frank.
they were both great fighters in their prime (as i said on the top 10 GOAT list). I think ken was better though.
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09-14-2010, 08:39 AM
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I have heard from vernon white in a interview i saw a long time ago was that ken just beat up everyone. I also tend to believe what ken says more than frank.
they were both great fighters in their prime (as i said on the top 10 GOAT list). I think ken was better though.
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I was gonna say I was talking about interviews with Vernon White and Mikey Burnette. Burnette actually had some rather sad comments on the relationship between the Shamrocks something along the lines of they had both been tossed around and messed up so bad as kids that they are to broken and there is no fixing them.
Oh and why Randy/Severn? Its like the Coleman/Severn fight Randy was younger, faster , a better wrestler. There really wouldn't have been much of a fight.
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09-14-2010, 06:00 PM
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I was gonna say I was talking about interviews with Vernon White and Mikey Burnette. Burnette actually had some rather sad comments on the relationship between the Shamrocks something along the lines of they had both been tossed around and messed up so bad as kids that they are to broken and there is no fixing them.
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they had a hard life thats for sure. I read beyond the lions den and some of the stuff ken said he went through in his life was brutal. Ken got religious and is a it seems like he is a great guy. He admits he was into some pretty bad stuff there for a while but said he has changed now.
I posted a interview with ken a little while ago. He said he really parted ways with frank because of how he treated his father when he was about to die.
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09-14-2010, 11:15 PM
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Yeah, I wonder if those two will ever make up. Hopefully that whole family feud doesn't end in tragedy! 
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09-14-2010, 11:31 PM
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Yeah, I wonder if those two will ever make up. Hopefully that whole family feud doesn't end in tragedy! |
They never will. Ken feels Frank has no class or respect and would never forgive him, unless possibly Frank apologized. Something I don't see THE Frank Shamrock ever doing.
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09-15-2010, 12:18 AM
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I showed an older gentleman I work with their pictures and he claimed they were separated at birth after he said they were the same guy. Crazy that they look so similar without having shared birth parents. Maybe destiny at work?
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