Originally Posted by KillerShark1985
You argue Brocks wrestling is his only weapon, how would you rate Brock standing with Overeem, Overeems ground game is not as weak as Brocks stand up.
Your using Mir as a template of how Overeem would go against Brock, Mir is a ground fighter, Overeem would keep it standing, this is not the WW division where the guys going for the TD's can close the distance and shoot under strikes faster than you can strike. Brock will get KO'ed before he can take Overeem down, whats he going to do when overeem starts using those knees in the clinch, plus a 255lb guy is not as easy to take down as a 170lb guy, the state of the WW division and wrestling does not cross over into the other divisions, especially HW.
Brock is not exactly a TD master, nor does it suit the division, he had problems taking Couture down and Overeem is bigger, stringer and would be harder to take down, if he spends time in the clinch like he did with Couture before the take downs, he will get hurt with those knees, against Carwin he was outclassed on his feet and could not take him down cleanly, he would get destroyed by Overeem on the feet, there would be no Cardio comeback ether, I would have it, Overeem 1st round KO every time.
I think your assumption on wrestling been the dominant force is confused, Brock is not GSP, he does not shoot nearly as quick at his weight and this is not WW where you can condition your body to shoot quick enough and be strong enough for the TD to be able to avoid a striking game all together against guys who are a lot smaller and lighter to TD.
Its pointless arguing wins with some people like this, have you heard yourself serioly, your argument is "your wisn dont count unless you beat a guy who is signed up to the UFC" yea whatever, thats all the rely on to make there fights sound better, the notion that "you have not beat any of our guys so there for you wins dont count"
That is nothing but marketing propaganda, of course those win count and mean something, and the only reason the UFC guys have not been beat by the guys outside the UFC is because the UFC protects its fighters from fighting guys on the circuit, yea thats right its the UFC that says "our guys wont fight outsiders", and you know why that is right, because how bad would it look if they where to do a cross promotion and there guys where to loose. SF on the other hand have down cross promotion with some of there top fighters and they have been winning, proving they are the best of the rest, UFC only claims to be, its about time they had there fighters step up and prove it.
sure, lets compare randys elite wrestling with overeem, overeem is bigger so clearly he would keep the fight standing
sure overeem is big but you actually think he can stop brocks TDs??? um, carwin and randy are WRESTLERS, very good wrestlers, you saying since carwin and randy stopped lesnars takedowns so overeem can too is like saying carwin couldnt knock out brock so he cant knock overeem out too!
theres no connection what so ever, brock would take overeem down and GnP him to a TKO, overeems only chance is cacthing him coming in...dont tell me you think overeem is faster than brock too (not talking about striking)
werdum vs mir is a tough one, mir would probably want to keep the fight standing, if he caught big nog he could catch werdum, though this one is really a toss, i could see either won getting a win here
carwin vs rogers - please...even though both have crap cardio carwin has more power and wrestling on his side, rogers hasnt proved anything yet
barnett vs cain - barnett JUST got signed, so i wasnt including him in the list of HWs before, though im not sure, i dont know how barnett is today, he was amazing but i really gotta see him fight in SF to really breakdown this fight nowadays, though if i had to choose right now i would go with barnett, the dude is incredible but cain is faster, better cardio, better wrestling...not much KO power though and doesnt have the subs of barnett...i think barnett would end up subbing him though like i said i have no idea how he is nowadays
fedor vs JDS - JDS has some amazing power man and very good boxing, no doubt he would catch fedor a couple of times and that might just KO him, though since JDS couldnt put nelson away id guess that he couldnt put fedor away either, but all he has is a punchers chance, but still, i agree, fedor would probably destroy him
the only true HWs in SF that could actually be a threat for sure is fedor and barnett really, overeem still has to be tested, i agree he was amazing skill right now but his chin is still questionable and has no wrestling, something that is dominating the HW scene right now in the UFC but he does have potential
but it doesnt work like that, you cant choose 2 guys, see who wins and then say ''ok now SF is better than UFC'' wich fighter would be able to beat them all? wich one would climb up to being #1 contender or champ?
only 3 are possible, fedor, barnett, overeem....but like i said, lets wait till overeem proves himself against an elite fighter to reall consider him