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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 09-22-2010, 10:28 AM Thread Starter
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They asked me b4 who I thought would use PEDís, I am just blown Away with who gets caught. What happened to good food, water and some supplements? Thatís what I did, and I never had a problem with people being stronger or in better shape.

Listen, if u had shoulder surgery, or whatever surgery, and the doc tells u that u will heal faster, do It, but then do NOT fight!

This is giving the sport a bad name, everything we (MMA) do, is already ďfrowned uponĒ, like masturbating in an Airplane, sorry, had to do that, was writing and thought about ďhang overĒ.

But serious, its very sad, and you do NOT need it. If u canít Train had anymore because u are getting up there in age, then donít fight, very simple. I could never look at myself in the mirror if I would have cheated, NEVER, and donít give me the BS excuse ďbut everybody is doing itĒ, yeah, lots of people donít use their freaking turn signal either, that doesnít mean that I also simply not gonna do it. I use this example because those people stress me out, just donít care about anybody else But their selves, and thatís the same as using PEDís.

Donít care about our sport getting a bad name, ďas long as I get betterĒ. This, of course, is for guys who are proven to have used. I DO believe that there r over the counter supplements out there that raises uír level, but If I would have been accused of using while I was not, I would find out 100 % sure, what those supplements were, why? Because that will prove my Innocence! Strange that nobody did this right? That would be proof! OK, way too many tweets, this s*** just drives me crazy. Every pro should write down exactly what supplements they take. Then When they get caught, test those products, if nothing is in there, ban him for 3 years, that will stop it, you watch. The endÖ.

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i thought this was interesting, i know there are some ppl here who think its ok to use PEDs,that fighters really do need them, that it should be legal....some thinks it sucks and these fighters should be cut....so anyway...i was wondering if you guys agree or disagree?

i agree with bas...if you're taking something you shouldnt be taking but have to because of injury then just wait until you can fight, the problem is i dont know if they would be able to train well without the PEDs...i think they would, i think its more of a mental thing
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I agree. No matter how good you want to be, it's not just your health you're putting at risk but also your opponent's. To me the idea of sports is to stretch how far you can push your own athletic abilities and not become a science experiment. And like Bas said if you're being medically prescribed steroird or other enhancements to help heal, then that's fine... Just don't fight! It's an unfair advantage against the guys who are actually trying to fight the legitimate way.
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They asked me b4 who I thought would use PED’s, I am just blown Away with who gets caught. What happened to good food, water and some supplements? That’s what I did, and I never had a problem with people being stronger or in better shape.
1995 in Pancrase was entirely a different ballgame. If "El Guapo" were a young guy today, fighting guys just as good as he is, but they were using steroids and (perhaps more of an advantage) EPO, I don't think he'd have the same point of view.

Whether you agree with PEDs or not... they can give you an advantage. And there are enough gifted, talented, hard-working guys out there who WILL use them that it's awfully tough if you don't. That's not to say that it can't (or isn't) done without them, but that it is tougher without them.

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1995 in Pancrase was entirely a different ballgame. If "El Guapo" were a young guy today, fighting guys just as good as he is, but they were using steroids and (perhaps more of an advantage) EPO, I don't think he'd have the same point of view.

I'd have to agree with you.
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1995 in Pancrase was entirely a different ballgame. If "El Guapo" were a young guy today, fighting guys just as good as he is, but they were using steroids and (perhaps more of an advantage) EPO, I don't think he'd have the same point of view.

Whether you agree with PEDs or not... they can give you an advantage. And there are enough gifted, talented, hard-working guys out there who WILL use them that it's awfully tough if you don't. That's not to say that it can't (or isn't) done without them, but that it is tougher without them.
thats true....the skill of guys he fought wasnt near where it is today also so the competition is a lot tougher and some are using PEDS (i would guess most) if we lived in a perfect fair world it would be great but there will always be guys using it, and when fighters with already elite level skills start using PEDs im guessing every other fighter would start doing the same

really the only way to stop this is to have olympic style tests (random tests) and a suspension of 2 years (3 is too much) and a heavier fine....
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We had a chap in the UK ( footie player, Rio Ferdinand... a twat by all accounts ) was due to take a piss test after training, but forgot and left the training ground. He almost immediately realized he had forgot and got in touch with his football club to offer to return and take the test but they said it was too late. He missed his test and that's it.

Banned him for the whole season and £50000. Just like that. For missing a test by an hour or so!

"Who cares.... I never like that guy" ( In thick Tony Montana dialect )

Anyway, can you imagine if they actually caught one of them properly on PED's? He would be finished.

By comparison, MMA punishment is puny. It also carries less negative stigma. There are quite a few fighters have been caught and recovered their careers. In footie and especially athletics, your name is dirt once you have been found out.

To round up, if getting caught on any kind of illegal drug got you banned for 5 years, the sport would clean up quick sharp.
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Another problem I have with PEDS is that it casts suspicions on other guy's who are clean but are performing well. So when you see someone get caught, it isn't just their reputation that's tarnished, the suspicion grows a little more concerning other clean fighters.

Then you get the logic, 'well if everybody thinks I'm cheating anyway, I might as well do it and get the benefits'.
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it's definitely not good to risk your health at risk by using PED's on a regular basis, if it's prescribed by a doctor to heal something that's a different story, but to use them to try to gain some sort of edge in competition is not a smart idea.
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The only problem with these accusations is that back when Bas fought there was no testing. So if he did it we will never know. Though I doubt he did it!

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