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Old 09-23-2010, 11:02 PM   #11 (permalink)

 
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Yea. I was hoping to take average of all the "lumbering giants" in the HW division with my speed but idk. I mean you would think guys that big would lose alot of speed(Mir) and cardio(Carwin), but I feel like everyone is putting too much emphasis on power(Brock). But for health reasons, I dont want to be as big as those guys because of what i just stated.
There is something to be said about speed but we are seeing more well rounded fighters all the time and a higher level of athlete when unless your naturally extremely athletic your advantage at the higher levels won't be as much. Out of curiosity though what is our reach? I mean not a number but are you a caveman dragging your knuckles, a T-Rex ?
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Old 09-24-2010, 01:46 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I really don't think cutting down from 245 unless you have a significant amount of fat on you is healthy. There just isn't enough body fat or waterweight that can be cut from that weight without loosing muscle. In order to get down from that weight you would need to reshape your whole body like Overeem was doing for so many years!
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Old 09-24-2010, 01:56 AM   #13 (permalink)
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There is something to be said about speed but we are seeing more well rounded fighters all the time and a higher level of athlete when unless your naturally extremely athletic your advantage at the higher levels won't be as much. Out of curiosity though what is our reach? I mean not a number but are you a caveman dragging your knuckles, a T-Rex ?
My reach is average at best
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Well just because you have an average reach doesn't mean you should cut to unhealthy proportions. It just means you need to learn to use what you have. Cutting to the point your health is risked just isn't smart at all!
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Old 09-24-2010, 03:28 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Old 09-25-2010, 01:33 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Yeah, if you are 245 and have a little budge you could get down to cut then possibly make it to lightheavyweight. But you look at a guy like Mir and there is not way he could cut down to 205. Not without loosing a significant amount of muscle and endangering his health!
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Old 09-25-2010, 01:50 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Another I wanted to add is that the HW division has always been the lowest weight class in terms of compition over the past few years imo. Think about what other HWs beside Fedor (and Coture) have been considered P4P kings? Alot people can agree that in the history of MMA the deepest weight classes are MW and LHW. Wandy, Frank Shamrock, Ortiz, Shogun, Machida, Hendo, Coture and Liddel ruled LHW (MW in Japan). The only person to hold a dynasty at HW was Fedor. Everyone says the HW talent pool was always questionable but then again whos knows. But for nowI wanna go where the comp is the thickest.
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Well one thing I think is that the lightheavyweight division is what the average man weighs. However, if you are that heavy I don't think you may have a choice in the matter. Just because you want to fight in a competitive weight class doesn't mean its goign to happen unfortunately!
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Old 09-25-2010, 07:01 PM   #19 (permalink)
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6' is a bit short for a heavy and if you can drop ~20lbs without losing muscle I would go to LHW. If your almost all muscle then maybe stay at HW since at 19 you could possibly get a bit bigger (fill out a bit more maybe get a tiny bit taller). Of course I'm no expert on the subject, but thats what I would do.

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Well one thing I think is that the lightheavyweight division is what the average man weighs. However, if you are that heavy I don't think you may have a choice in the matter. Just because you want to fight in a competitive weight class doesn't mean its goign to happen unfortunately!
The average American man is about 5'9.5" and 190lbs. However the average American man is also about 30lbs over weight IIRC. The worldwide averages are smaller (some countries are taller but I don't know if theres any that weigh more). I would say a lot of greats are in LHW because theres still a good amount of people that are that big and are athletic, where as a true HW that is atheletic is rare.
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Old 09-25-2010, 07:12 PM   #20 (permalink)
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6ft is a little short for a heavy...you would fit in better at 205
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