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Old 09-28-2010, 11:26 PM   #11 (permalink)
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The number one HW in the world wore a belt that has more credibility than the wamma belt and it's from pro wrastlin. I might be a Zuffa zombie but I'm not gonna rank an inferior fighter above someone just because I dislike the organization they fight for. What is this, amateur hour?
Regardless, that "inferior" fighter beat the no.1 HW. Just cuz Dana doesnt own anymore you get in a fit. If Werdum is so "inferior" fighter how come he was able to capitalize on Fedor's mistake? I dont know about you, but that doesnt sound like something an "inferior" would do.
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Old 09-28-2010, 11:32 PM   #12 (permalink)
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1. Edgar
2. Maynard
3. Melendez
4. Penn
5. Florian

WW

1. GSP
2. Fitch
3. Koscheck
4. Shields
5. Alves

MW

1. Silva
2. Marquardt
3. Belfort
4. Okami
5. Lombard

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2. Machida
3. Evans
4. Jackson
5. Bader

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2. Velasquez
3. Dos Santos
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Old 09-28-2010, 11:34 PM   #13 (permalink)
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What in the world is in prowrestling that is better than any MMA belt and why do you say such blasphemy?
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Old 09-28-2010, 11:49 PM   #14 (permalink)
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What in the world is in prowrestling that is better than any MMA belt and why do you say such blasphemy?
He was being hyperbolic in his description of how meaningless a WAMMA belt is.

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Regardless, that "inferior" fighter beat the no.1 HW. Just cuz Dana doesnt own anymore you get in a fit. If Werdum is so "inferior" fighter how come he was able to capitalize on Fedor's mistake? I dont know about you, but that doesnt sound like something an "inferior" would do.
The question is did Fedor deserve to still be #1. Many say no. I agree that Werdum/Melendez need to be on the list, but not at the top. There is no way that Aoki/Alvarez deserve to be ahead of Penn. Beating inferior fighters is not grounds for raising against someone who lost to the #1 fighter in the world.
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Old 09-28-2010, 11:57 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Well the WAMMA belt was legitimate until WAMMA went under. Now it's another title of a failed promotion or organization that went under. Also until he lost Fedor did deserve to be number one!
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Old 09-29-2010, 12:07 AM   #16 (permalink)
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You do realize that he lost to him not once but twice, right?
BJ Penn nor any Zuffa champion gets any special treatment.
If Anderson, Shogun, Brock and GSP lost 2 in a row, they should be out of the top 5. Hell i bet if Machida lost to Rampage, yall will drop out of the top 5, wouldn't you?
Aoki destroyed a former Shooto champ in Kawajiri and owned a world class grappler in Maximus. Alveraz is currently on a 5 fight win streak and is about to defend his title against Huerta.
The point is, that BJ Penn lost to ONE guy. Yeah he lost twice, but its one guy. You cant drop out of the top5 because you cant beat one guy.
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The question is did Fedor deserve to still be #1. Many say no. I agree that Werdum/Melendez need to be on the list, but not at the top. There is no way that Aoki/Alvarez deserve to be ahead of Penn. Beating inferior fighters is not grounds for raising against someone who lost to the #1 fighter in the world.
But Alveraz didnt lose twice in a row, neither did Aoki (the Sakurai bout were at a different weight and there werent in a recent row).
Shaolin
Kawajiri
Maximus
Kukino
Hansen x2
JZ
Hirota
Alveraz
thats not top compition to you compared to...
Hughes
Sanchez
Florian
Stevenson
Pulver
Sherk
Gomi
Serra
Penn has defeated 6 former world champs to Aoki's 7
put those two list together and Aoki has beaten more champs then Penn. And you would be a true Zuffa nuthugger if you say Penn is doing better than Aoki. Penn loss 2 in a row, TO THE SAME GUY.
GSP is to Penn as Sakurai as to Aoki. GSP and Sakurai both won a descion the 1st bout and finshed them both in the 2nd. But these were different weight classes.
Look at it this way if your still upset:
In his last five bouts Aoki is 4-1 defeating 3 former world champs (Kawajiri,Hirota,Hansen)
Penn is 2-3 defeating only 1 former world champ (Sanchez)
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Old 09-29-2010, 12:15 AM   #18 (permalink)
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As for Alveraz defeating Neer,Imada, Kawajiri, Kukino and Hansen is pretty damn impressive to me.
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But Alveraz didnt lose twice in a row, neither did Aoki (the Sakurai bout were at a different weight and there werent in a recent row).
Shaolin
Kawajiri
Maximus
Kukino
Hansen x2
JZ
Hirota
Alveraz
thats not top compition to you compared to...
Hughes
Sanchez
Florian
Stevenson
Pulver
Sherk
Gomi
Serra
Penn has defeated 6 former world champs to Aoki's 7
put those two list together and Aoki has beaten more champs then Penn. And you would be a true Zuffa nuthugger if you say Penn is doing better than Aoki. Penn loss 2 in a row, TO THE SAME GUY.
GSP is to Penn as Sakurai as to Aoki. GSP and Sakurai both won a descion the 1st bout and finshed them both in the 2nd. But these were different weight classes.
Look at it this way if your still upset:
In his last five bouts Aoki is 4-1 defeating 3 former world champs (Kawajiri,Hirota,Hansen)
Penn is 2-3 defeating only 1 former world champ (Sanchez)

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Old 09-29-2010, 12:44 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Pretty accurate list.

As for the HW list/Werdum debate, I'd have it like this:

#1 Brock
#2 Werdum
#3 Fedor
#4 Cain
#5 Alistair/JDS.

Werdum very well could be #1, seeing as how he's on a 3 fight win streak and one of those is the greatest HW of all time, if not the greatest MMA fighter of all time, and he's the first person to beat him in 10 years. However, I'll give brock #1 because he came off a long layoff and beat the #1 contender, which is the only reason he's above Werdum on my list.
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