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Old 10-07-2010, 12:36 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Fedor and Werdum have publicly ducked Overeem and Overeem has publicly challenged both of them. This thread is born of delusion.
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Fedor and Werdum have publicly ducked Overeem and Overeem has publicly challenged both of them. This thread is born of delusion.
Um I'm pretty sure that Werdum is hurt, and Overeem is ducking them just as hard. Still being a midlevel LHW that juices to HW doesn't make him a top level HW.
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Werdum is hurt but has said he would rather fight Fedor again. Fedor didn`t want no part of Overeem and then waited till Overeem signed up to fight in the K-1 GP and then suddenly came out saying he wanted to fight the Reem. I think Overeem is the most overrated guy in MMA today but Fedor and Werdum are obviously ducking him.
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Overeem just wants a big payday to lose in MMA, losing for chump change like he did in Pride wont pay his bills anymore.

Thats why he wants Fedor, on his terms of course.


Thats why he doesnt want Werdum, he will likely lose (again), and not make much $ in the process.

He gets paid nicely for K1 and i dont think he has a big urge to fight MMA unless the $ is right.


As far as fighting K1.... so what??? Ppl laughed at James Toney bringing up boxing creds for MMA......


but Overeems kickboxing creds mean the world??

hell he isnt even = james toney in terms of accomplishments in kickboxing compared to Toneys in boxing.

i hate ppl bringing up "he ko'd badr hari"...... lol so what?? Was Badr Hari threatening a TD?? Was he gonna clinch him against the cage and take his legs from under him??

James Toney KO'd Evander Holyfield, therefore he is the greatest striker in MMA history!!!

its sad when your biggest MMA accomplishment besides losing to top fighters is KOing somebody in a DIFFERENT SPORT.\


EDIT - let me add, if you want to be the best at MMA, you better train MMA FULL TIME. Cuz thats what these younger guys like Cigano and Cain are doing, full time MMA, every aspect.

Its funny ppl just expect Overeem to take MMA half serious and be the worlds best. There are too many different aspects to train, too many evovling techniques that you must learn and keep up with the trends. Too many high calibre training partners and coaches you need on point, all the time.


NOT HAPPENING.
Kickboxing (He actually does Muay Thai... they just outlawed him killing people with his knees in k-1 recently) is quite literally twice the sport boxing is. Kickboxers literally have TWICE the weapons of a boxer. Boxer have great hands, kick boxers have great legs to go along with their great hands. This is why "Kickboxing" is becoming more and more synonymous with "Striking" in MMA and Boxing is still called Boxing in MMA.
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Old 10-07-2010, 05:33 PM   #35 (permalink)
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i dont doubt that kickboxing is likely superior in MMA to boxing.


both are not good for MMA striking in itself tho, many adjustments need to be made, starting obv with the stance, k1 and boxing stances dont work in MMA.

Thats just the beginning, almost everything has to be modified for MMA and many defensive techniques used in boxing and kickboxing are totally worthless in MMA.

Which is why i could care less if he KO'd Badr Hari or whoever.

I want to see him KO some good MMA strikers.

I have a feeling he would look good vs Cigano.... til he eats a big punch.

Then we will see Overeem fold the tent as usual. This isnt K1. No time to recover and get up. No big gloves to protect yourself and make the shots not hurt as much....
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i dont doubt that kickboxing is likely superior in MMA to boxing.


both are not good for MMA striking in itself tho, many adjustments need to be made, starting obv with the stance, k1 and boxing stances dont work in MMA.

Thats just the beginning, almost everything has to be modified for MMA and many defensive techniques used in boxing and kickboxing are totally worthless in MMA.

Which is why i could care less if he KO'd Badr Hari or whoever.

I want to see him KO some good MMA strikers.

I have a feeling he would look good vs Cigano.... til he eats a big punch.

Then we will see Overeem fold the tent as usual. This isnt K1. No time to recover and get up. No big gloves to protect yourself and make the shots not hurt as much....
How can you even think to say that kickboxing might not be better for MMA?

2 weapons or 4 weapons? Seriously. Not to mention the inherent defense that kickboxers would know over boxers.

Example 1: Kick Boxer takes leg kick. Result: Kickboxer checks kick or takes the kick and stays standing.

Example 2: Boxer takes leg kick. Result: Boxer crumples.
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thats because i see plenty of guys near or at the top of the food chain that use boxing and not kickboxing.

i could prob name more ranked guys that box than kickbox.


despite whatever arguement you wanna make, the proof is in the pudding.

look at HW for instance.

Brock (boxing)
Werdum (boxing)
Nog (Boxing)
Mir (Boxing)
JDS (Boxing)
Overeem (Kickboxing)
Velasquez (Kickboxing)
BigFoot (Boxing)
Barnett (Boxing)
Duffee (Boxing)
Nelson (Boxing)
Rothwell (boxing)

etc etc etc, arguement holds no weight when you cant prove its true.

Pro boxers are much more technical then k1 guys btw with footwork, headmovement and combos imo, i still love kickboxers, my fav fighter kick boxes and ppl sleep on how good he is getting.

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...Well, if Overeem doesn't piss hot, he's good to go. Since there has been so much spectulation about him using them, he will get pissed and watched closely for certain. Until he gets caught, he's legit. I think it's obvious Fedor isn't going anywhere and it's just a matter of time before Overeem & Fedor meet. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to assume that fight would be the biggest draw ever for Strikeforce. M-1 has made some controversial decisions but I'm sure Fedor himself wants to get a title shot.
...I can't recall Fedor ever ducking anybody. It's his management- pure & simple. Fedor has stated multiple times he wants to fight the best fighters. I can't wait for the Emperor's return bout and watch all the doubters get their jaws dropped saying WOW! He's back!...
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