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Old 10-10-2010, 05:19 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I don't recall anyone in this thread calling Diaz a "bum".
I wasn't referring to this thread. I'm referring a number of posts I've read about him over the years on this forum.
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Old 10-10-2010, 05:40 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I wasn't referring to this thread. I'm referring a number of posts I've read about him over the years on this forum.
Really? I see nothing but love for the guy most of the time. The only bashing comes from people that don't like the Diaz brothers' mentality and personalities. Most times, even from people that are rubbed the wrong way, I hear that people think he is a good, tough fighter. And I have read many posts about how people wanted to see Diaz vs. GSP.

I just think it is hard to rate fighters who are beating unranked fighters. It isn't his fault and I'm sure he would fight anyone. But at some point one has to look at who he is beating. I would bet that Kos, Alves, GSP, Shields would all finish Noons in a 5 round fight. Credit Noons, but Diaz just went to a real close decision with a guy that isn't top 10 and new to the weight class.

Either way Diaz is a top 10 fighter, even if it is at the bottom 3rd of the top 10. And he is a pretty exciting fighter as well.
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Old 10-10-2010, 05:50 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I would bet that Kos, Alves, GSP, Shields would all finish Noons in a 5 round fight. Credit Noons, but Diaz just went to a real close decision with a guy that isn't top 10 and new to the weight class.

Either way Diaz is a top 10 fighter, even if it is at the bottom 3rd of the top 10. And he is a pretty exciting fighter as well.
How can you be sure they would? K.J. might just be that good. We haven't seen Nick struggle against an opponent like that since... well shit since the last time he fought Noons.

He beat Lawler and choked out Gomi easier than he beat K.J.

I don't know why it's so hard for people to admit that K.J. might just be a tough son of a bitch...

They automatically make remarks like "0mFg!! he'd get wRekked by Kuschak in teh UFC"

These UFC comparisons sound so damn paranoid it's ridiculous. I used to to hear the same crap about Jake Shields on this board when he was fighting at WW.

Than the #2 MW in the world came in from the UFC and got mangled by Shields.

Why is it hard to see potential in a prospect from another org? Why do fans have to automatically start defending the UFCs honor when nobody's even talking about the UFC?
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Old 10-10-2010, 06:02 PM   #34 (permalink)
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How can you be sure they would? K.J. might just be that good. We haven't seen Nick struggle against an opponent like that since... well shit since the last time he fought Noons.

He beat Lawler and choked out Gomi easier than he beat K.J.

I don't know why it's so hard for people to admit that K.J. might just be a tough son of a bitch...

They automatically make remarks like "0mFg!! he'd get wRekked by Kuschak in teh UFC"

These UFC comparisons sound so damn paranoid it's ridiculous. I used to to hear the same crap about Jake Shields on this board when he was fighting at WW.

Than the #2 MW in the world came in from the UFC and got mangled by Shields.

Why is it hard to see potential in a prospect from another org? Why do fans have to automatically start defending the UFCs honor when nobody's even talking about the UFC?
The UFC was mentioned in a post before I even started posting in it. From there I made my case for why he wouldn't make huge waves in the UFC but would be a competitive fighter for the division.

All I am saying and really said is it is hard to rate a fighter when they haven't fought a ranked guy in a while. It is just tough to do....I don't see how that isn't fair to say..
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All I am saying and really said is it is hard to rate a fighter when they haven't fought a ranked guy in a while. It is just tough to do....I don't see how that isn't fair to say..
Really? Okay because I was responding to this....

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I laugh at the thought that he would make waves in the UFC.
The reality is that Nick Diaz would outstrike almost every single UFC WW. And his ground game would put him in the top 5 easy.
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Me personally, I see the potential in all organizations, but, I know the top dogs sit in the UFC, especially at 170. Fitch, Koscheck, Gsp, would be a world of trouble for Diaz, and i'm one of Diaz's longtime fans. None of those three will play toe to toe like alot have for Diaz recently.

More than anything though, I WANT to see those fights, he's at the level that he deserves those type of fights. All respect to Noons, and the rest at 170 in strikeforce, but they don't compare in this case.
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The reality is that Nick Diaz would outstrike almost every single UFC WW. And his ground game would put him in the top 5 easy.
Maybe, but Nick gets hit entirely too much to win consistently against other top ten fighters.
The thug mentality isn't gonna keep him from get Ko'd.
I think if him and Diego Sanchez re-matched it would probably look like the exact same fight. He doesn't really have the one punch KO power so the elite wrestlers are going to get a hold of him and probably outwork him on the ground.
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Maybe, but Nick gets hit entirely too much to win consistently against other top ten fighters.
The thug mentality isn't gonna keep him from get Ko'd.
I think if him and Diego Sanchez re-matched it would probably look like the exact same fight. He doesn't really have the one punch KO power so the elite wrestlers are going to get a hold of him and probably outwork him on the ground.
Exiting fighter? Yes. Smart Fighter? No.
Nick has a granite chin. You're right that wrestlers will hold him down but KO him? No way. He's fought some really powerful strikers and only been legit finished once in 2002 in the fifth fight of his career. No way is Nick's chin going to be a problem, but being outpointed is a very real possibility.
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Maybe, but Nick gets hit entirely too much to win consistently against other top ten fighters.
The thug mentality isn't gonna keep him from get Ko'd.
Exiting fighter? Yes. Smart Fighter? No.
Because he's not afraid to take 2 just to give 1 is a thug mentality? Nah, he knows hes has a strong chin. And I don't see too many UFC WWs knocking him out in a striking match.
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Because he's not afraid to take 2 just to give 1 is a thug mentality? Nah, he knows hes has a strong chin. And I don't see too many UFC WWs knocking him out in a striking match.
I agree, he can get hit by the best of them.... and I don't see strikers being the real threat to him, neither submission experts.
The ones that will be hard for him to deal with are wrestlers with good sub-defence, like Shiels, Fitch, GSP and such. He would get blanketed and UD'd by most of the top wrestlers who don't have Chael Sonnen syndrome.
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