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Old 10-11-2010, 08:54 PM   #51 (permalink)
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MacDonald IMO has all the natural skills to beat Diaz. Its just a matter of application.

As far as I have seen from watching both of the Diaz brothers, their style of boxing rely's very heavily on the ranging jab. When you take away the usual reach advantage they have against their opponent's. I.e. Dan Hardy (74in) vs Diaz (74in) a lot of the usual advantage goes away. And in my opinion, Hardy is a good combination of pressure fighter and technical fighter. (Also, he has a Shaolin Kung Fu background which gives him an intangible leg up for me!)

Kampmann has very technical with his striking, and has the grappling skills to keep Diaz standing. I think a skilled technical kickboxer would give Diaz a lot of trouble that someone like Noons, who's style is almost exclusively boxing w/ leg kicks doesn't have.

Whether they'd fight or not has absolutely nothing to do with their rankings. If they did, Shields would secure the takedown and dominate with far superior wrestling.

I totally agree with Condit being a dark horse. He's so underrated it blows my mind (which is why he's higher up on my list than Hardy). I have him beating Hardy, and continue to kick myself for only putting 20K on him to win.

Actual bottom line: Diaz being even close to top 5 is very debateable, and something of a stretch.

You underrate NIck Diaz far too much and overrate Hardy, Kampmann and Macdonald.

Nick is alot more dangerous than you're giving him credit for.
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Old 10-11-2010, 09:21 PM   #52 (permalink)
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You underrate NIck Diaz far too much and overrate Hardy, Kampmann and Macdonald.

Nick is alot more dangerous than you're giving him credit for.
He wins one by knockout not (T)KO, and I swear on a stack of whichever good book you prefer, that I will respect him as a top five.
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He wins one by knockout not (T)KO, and I swear on a stack of whichever good book you prefer, that I will respect him as a top five.
Robbie Lawler at UFC 47. Clean, out like a light KO... and its not like Lawler has a glass chin, that's his only loss due to strikes in his entire career.
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He wins one by knockout not (T)KO, and I swear on a stack of whichever good book you prefer, that I will respect him as a top five.
Dude he's finished 7 of his last 8 fights by TKO or submisson and you're calling him out for not having 1 punch KO power?

That's a little nit picky. He's finishing fighters with his strikes. His standup is brutal.
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Dude he's finished 7 of his last 8 fights by TKO or submisson and you're calling him out for not having 1 punch KO power?

That's a little nit picky. He's finishing fighters with his strikes. His standup is brutal.
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Wow, Hardy, Kampmann, MacDonald, Condit..

Who in gods name has Rory Macdonald defeated?

Dan Hardy... the guy who's supposed to be a marksman with his hands has had 5 UFC fights and only won 1 by knockout. He's won 3 by decision and lost 1. Hardy is one of the most gassed up overrated fighters in the WW rankings.

He's beaten who? Marcus Davis? Mike Swick? Gimme a break and I won't be surprised to see Carlos bust his hype bubble.

Martain Kampmann would get outboxed against Diaz plain and simple. Diaz has the reach and his output would fluster and eventually stop Kampmann. Martains little 1-2 kick would be horribly inaffective against a striker of Nick Diaz calibur.

Nick won't fight Jake.

Now Carlos Condit? That's a different story, I think Condit is one of the dark horses in the WW division. He can crack the top 5. He's very skilled and a fight with Nick and Carlos would be fire works.

Bottem line... Nick Diaz would still be a top 5er in the UFCs WW division. Nick goes to war every time he fights, he leaves it all in the cage, and he's very well rounded. He's proven himself alot more than half the guys you named.
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Doesn't Diaz lose fans every time he fights? Or talks? Or just stands there and the camera is on him?

Anyway, I thought he won every round but the second. I think the judge that scored it 49-47 was closest to what I thought about the fight. The first two rounds were clear as day and I felt Nick always landed more strikes in the other rounds although round 4 was pretty damn close and could easily have been a 10-10.

By the way, did anyone find it funny how their computer told them Noons had landed over 400 punches?
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