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Old 12-31-2010, 08:06 AM   #201 (permalink)
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Someone mentions Brock and all intelligent discussion goes out the window.
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Old 12-31-2010, 08:07 AM   #202 (permalink)
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Not a chance, you're under-rating Brock far too much. Brock got beaten by a more well-rounded Mixed Martial artist, and one with equal wrestling to him, that's why Cain won. Cain had the wrestling to stop Brock, and then the striking to put him away when it was on the feet. Overeem does not have the wrestling of Cain or Carwin, and I think he'd struggle to defend the Brock shot. He could sink in his slick guillotine, but I really don't think you're giving Brock enough credit. He's a much more legitimate challenge to Overeem than anyone in SF or DREAM outside Fedor. People are far too quick to write someone off. Brock did alright surviving the attack from Carwin. Sure, Carwin gassed, but if Brock wasn't a fighter he'd have just given up when Carwin was reigning down strikes on him, but he didn't. Obviously Alistair would destroy Brock on the feet, but I don't think he has the wrestling to keep it there. It'd be a very intriguing fight.
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Old 12-31-2010, 08:10 AM   #203 (permalink)
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Well let me say this. I am a Brock fan and i am a fan of The Reem.

But honestly i agree with McKeever. Look at what Cain did to Brock. He was tagging him with just some short shots that didnt look to hard and Brock spun around like a ballerina. What do you think Brock would do if The Reem high kicked him or put him in his famous clinch.

I wouldnt count Brock out as he could take him down and lay on him. But brock isnt a lay n prayer and he would likely get submitted as The Reem also has a good ground game.
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Old 12-31-2010, 08:11 AM   #204 (permalink)
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Not a chance, you're under-rating Brock far too much. Brock got beaten by a more well-rounded Mixed Martial artist, and one with equal wrestling to him, that's why Cain won. Cain had the wrestling to stop Brock, and then the striking to put him away when it was on the feet. Overeem does not have the wrestling of Cain or Carwin, and I think he'd struggle to defend the Brock shot. He could sink in his slick guillotine, but I really don't think you're giving Brock enough credit. He's a much more legitimate challenge to Overeem than anyone in SF or DREAM outside Fedor.
You're not getting it. Brock is not a fighter, hes a wrestler. Brock is Bobby Lashley version 2.

Brock wasnt "beaten" by Cain, he was abused, embarrassed. In his previous fight he was also beaten to a pulp.

Brock can not take a punch to save his life, he has zero ground game (from his back) and i stand by what i said from when i first saw the Couture fight, his wrestling is VASTLY OVER RATED.

All you have to do is punch Brock in the face hard and he will crumble. No fighter heart or spirit.
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Old 12-31-2010, 08:12 AM   #205 (permalink)
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Old 12-31-2010, 08:13 AM   #206 (permalink)
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[b]I'd say Roy Nelson is a tougher fight for Ubereem than Werdum or Big Foot.[/B


Nelson is no tougher then werdum and bigfoot is better then nelson.

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I give Frank Mir more of a chance than Werdum, at least Mir's stand-up would allow him to not get destroyed on the feet.
Murrs stand up is far worse then duffes.


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Carwin also poses Alistair a serious threat. Alistair likes the clinch, but you do not want to get sloppy with Carwin in the clinch. Did you see what he did to Mir in the clinch? Much more intriguing match-ups in the UFC, Strikeforce's HW division is so over-rated.


Carwin is slow as hell and would get Ko'd before he could even touch alistair. his shots are the definition of telegraphed.
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Old 12-31-2010, 08:13 AM   #207 (permalink)
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Lol Frank, you so silly.
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Old 12-31-2010, 08:14 AM   #208 (permalink)
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That shot that spun Brock round landed on the nerve in the chin, completely destroying his equilibrium. It doesn't matter how short a shot it is, when you get caught there by a 240lb man you're going to lose your equilibrium and then your footing. Also, Brock showed superb control and jiu jitsu defence in the 2nd fight with Mir, and Mir has a much more dangerous guard than Alistair. You do not want Brock Lesnar on top of you, no matter who you are, and I think Brock could get Alistair down.

Brock has a superb shot, and a shot more than good enough to take Alistair down. His wrestling is not over-rated, he just met someone in Cain that has equal wrestling to him, and the wrestling in that fight was equal. 2 takedowns attempted each, 1 successful each. Also, if he didn't have heart, how come he survived that mauling from Carwin? If Brock wasn't a fighter and had no heart, surely he'd have just quit as soon as Carwin was on top of him smashing him in the face? Brock showed composure, heart and a chin in that fight. Cain just happened to land some massive shots on Lesnar, that knee would have buckled anyone. You're hugely under-rating Brock Lesnar.

Also LOL @ Duffee's stand up being better than Mir's. Mir out-struck Big Nog, knocked Kongo down; yet Duffee got KTFO by Mike Russow and finished in 19 seconds by Overeem. Not a chance his stand-up is better than Mir's, let alone much better.

Nelson no tougher than Werdum or Big Foot? =/ Did you watch Nelson vs JDS? We know Werdum can't take those sorts of shots from JDS, and Big Foot got badly rocked by Kyle, JDS would put him away.

LOL @ Trigg. This has been a great broadcast, really enjoyable stuff.
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Old 12-31-2010, 08:15 AM   #209 (permalink)
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Well, im not gonna argue with you, especially in this thread. Lets keep this thread Dynamite related and not go to a Brock thread.

We all have our own opinions and we arent gonna change each others minds so lets all drop it yeah?
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