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Old 11-01-2010, 02:29 AM   #71 (permalink)
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Yeah, not sure why he fought who he did when he did but he did. However, holding your own against a professional boxer when you aren't one gives him some credit. Though Noons obviously has more experience then Diaz at boxing Diaz was clearly the better overall fighter in their last fight!
The thing is, most professional boxers are terrible.

A good amateur fighter, then going professional, will 99% of the time rip through the vast majority of professional fighters as they are far better schooled in technique etc and have devoted many more years to it. A lot of professional boxers are garbage collector types who get in, have a biff and get a few hundred bucks for the efforts whilst training a few nights per week in between their beer drinking sessions. So in that respect, they are not actually 'professionals' as such as they actually work a full-time profession and boxing is more just a bit of fun and a little extra money on the side.

Beat a good contender, and you have done well. Otherwise, it doesn't tend to mean a lot. I know, boxing is my niche, I've trained with some of the worlds best Professional fighters, fought against and know a lot of former Olympic fighters and seen them in the professional ranks afterwards, along with other amateur guys I knew who are now world ranked and beat to a pulp most of these tomatoe cans I am talking about. Even Noons, he is a nobody. Frankie Edgar is the most skilled 'boxer' in MMA IMO, but most don't appreciate the subtleties and nuances a good boxer will learn.

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Old 11-01-2010, 02:54 AM   #72 (permalink)
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So in other words you are saying that most professional boxers are really semi-professional athletes?
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Old 11-01-2010, 03:07 AM   #73 (permalink)
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So in other words you are saying that most professional boxers are really semi-professional athletes?
Basically, yes.
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Isn't it the same with most "professional" MMA fighters?
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Isn't it the same with most "professional" MMA fighters?
Yes, but let's not go in circles. We are talking about Diaz vs a tomatoe can.

It's like putting in some drunkard, beer drinking red neck who fukcs around in the gym against say Arthur Abraham for example and then saying, Abraham has a win at MMA, he must be decent at it. Doesn't proove a thing.
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Old 11-01-2010, 07:10 PM   #76 (permalink)
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Have you seen Diaz pathetic kicks?? He can't even throw a kick right.. and that after his long and successful career. He should focus on actual MMA striking instead of Boxing.

GSP would destroy him in a standup war, as would Alves, Daley and so on..
This.

Its pathetic how overrated guys get from beating up on low level fighters.

He was schooled on the feet by a journeyman in Mike Aina, then a fight later was schooled by KJ and got stopped.

Since then his awesome striking has been on display against Frank Shamrock, a submission grappler 10 years past his best, Zaromskis an overrated glass cannon who just got smoked in more devastating fashion by Cyborg(nor did Cyborg, whos mediocre himself get rocked and knocked down like Nick did), and then he eeked by a bloated KJ Noons who's probably, due to various injuries not even at his best.


Oh yeah, he'd kill Daley alright. Nevermind that Daley is a world class striker who I don't even recall ever being rocked in his career, let alone beat up like Diaz. Nevermind that, because Nick is a SF champion and we have to be cool and non-conformist and hype up lesser fighters despite their accomplishments being absolutely MEAGRE.

GSP? Call me back when Diaz faces a legitimate WW threat in his OWN organization.
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This.

Its pathetic how overrated guys get from beating up on low level fighters.

He was schooled on the feet by a journeyman in Mike Aina, then a fight later was schooled by KJ and got stopped.

Since then his awesome striking has been on display against Frank Shamrock, a submission grappler 10 years past his best, Zaromskis an overrated glass cannon who just got smoked in more devastating fashion by Cyborg(nor did Cyborg, whos mediocre himself get rocked and knocked down like Nick did), and then he eeked by a bloated KJ Noons who's probably, due to various injuries not even at his best.


Oh yeah, he'd kill Daley alright. Nevermind that Daley is a world class striker who I don't even recall ever being rocked in his career, let alone beat up like Diaz. Nevermind that, because Nick is a SF champion and we have to be cool and non-conformist and hype up lesser fighters despite their accomplishments being absolutely MEAGRE.

GSP? Call me back when Diaz faces a legitimate WW threat in his OWN organization.
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