so youre saying strikeforce today is comparable with ufc of back then? like i said ufc currently is 3-4 times bigger then it was back then. who they had? @HW sylvia and arlovski @lhw Liddell, Couture and Tito and im not even sure they had a 155 division that only had Sherk and Penn.
I don't know if I can compare today's strikeforce with lets say 06 UFC, cus strikeforce apparently has lame organization, like i said before they can't put good fights together. But comparing the roosters i'd say todays strikeforce has pretty even rooster as 06 UFC. As for todays UFC, when pride "died" majority of the fighters went to UFC, the bad thing about it most of them are not in their prime anymore so people are saying "yeah, they were never actually good it's just that they can't compete with what UFC has to offer!" which is not true, not by far! Those who are out of their prime (nogueira, cro cop, wanderlei, rampage maybe, henderson) are all 30+ years old and all of them with 30+ fights. There are former pride fighters that are champions in UFC right now...Shogun and Anderson. And there are those who WOULD be in pride today if pride was still alive...velasquez, JDS, Machida, infact every fighter in UFC that's above avarage and that didn't come from TUF would be in pride today + every fighter in strikeforce cus strikeforce is a joke and beside, if pride didn't fall appart they'd still have 5 fighters under their contract!)
Originally Posted by UFC86
now i know Cro Cop and Big Nog were at their prime and way better fighters then they are today, but they are in ufc now so i dont compare them to their current state. i compare cro cop and big nog to ubereem and werdum, and i think fedor and barnett only deteriorated slightly. also Pride didnt have a steroid testing requirement implanted, im not going to point any fingers, but the likelihood of fighters taking steroids increases when there is no testing involved (for example when did barnett win a big fight when there was steroid testing implented, and he passed the test?).
regarding the fighters you listed-Frye- entertaining pioneer but not more. goodridge- overrated arm wrestler coleman- great as a pioneer but not as mma evolved yvel-horrible in pride herring- definetly not top 5 schilt hunt kharitonov- 1d strikers with no achievements in mma yoshida- couldnt beat royce gracie dana white-only good in pancrase sakuraba- pioneer and thats it rampage-only became good in ufc horn randleman and minowaman- come on!
pride probably had more depth, but who cares about that when its fighters that are on ultimate fighter reject levels? lots of fighters crossed over from pro wrestling and couldnt fight, or were just freakshows (giant silva for example). strikeforce seems to try and stay away from freakshows (they rejected the possibility of signing kimbo)
I'll respond on this 2...regarding illegal substances, they are present in UFC aswell even though you'll probably deny it or whatever but to be honest i don't care cus i have my sources to claim that and i'm 110% sure it's true maybe not so spread as in pride but there are illegal substances in UFC for sure, so i'll skip it. What caught my attention are those descriptions you wrote about frye, goodridge coleman etc..let me remind you that they were pretty dominant in UFC at some point, some of them even held the title at the time so i wouldn't say they were overrated. Once you're out of prime doesn't mean you were always lame! frye was 6-1 in UFC, came to pride won 3 and then he lost few fights and it was over for him but i wouldn't call him an "entertainer", he was 15-1 at some point of his career and that was when he was 36 years old so if you call that an entertainer then i don't know who's a real fighter for you. Goodridge overrated arm wrestler? ok i admit, he was nothing special but we all still remember THIS
right? Coleman is average if we look on his complete career (infact he's lame right now) but looking at 1996-2001 he was a killer back then. Yvel was lame in pride, i give you that and he's lame right now aswell .. he was pretty good before pride though 22-4...herring was average, i mean even his record speaks like it...i'll skip those strikers cus they ain't really nothing else but strikers, what really caught my attention here was "sakuraba- pioneer (explain please..)" and "rampage-only became good in ufc"..made me laugh ....rampage did beat at that time UFC's nr1 guy you know?
... and yeah, the freak shows lol...apparently the japanese public seems to like fight like big dude vs small dude, i don't see any other reason of having freak shows in their rooster..i mean, look at kaoklai vs hong man choi fight lol...it was a k-1 fight but it's not like we haven't seen such things in pride
...i love UFC and freak show thing you mentioned (picking their fighters) is one of the things why but like i said before pride was making more interesting fights..you could watch a pride fight card and pay attention to every single fight on the card with exactly the same enthusiasm being a main event or the lamest fight on the card you'd still watch it with joy..in ufc some fights on the card are just lame, take UFC 122 fight card as example, on that card every fight is lame including main event. So like Dana White says, "we're in entertaining business", you gotta include freak shows to make people watch it! I mean, tell me you don't enjoy watching some small dude beating up a giant?