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post #11 of 62 (permalink) Old 11-24-2010, 12:13 PM
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Wow . . . a lot of God hate on this board.

If a fighter wishes to thank God for the victory, that is his personal choice to do so. For the American's, it's their constitutional right to do so.

As far as being pissed about seeing it or saying this sh** has no place in this sport . . . I say get over it. You don't have to agree with a fighter's choice to thank God, but you should respect it. If they have a personal relationship with God and wish to thank him for the victory, let them. Who is it hurting? That is between them and God. It has nothing to do with the opponent (or in this case the viewer) or their religious preference. That is a personal relationship they wish to acknowledge during their moment of victory.

I have debated this with others before. I have never understood why so many non-christians get so upset when it comes to someone else thanking God. Does it hurt you physically? Does it hurt you mentally? Or is just the simple fact it annoys you? My guess is that it just annoys you. GET OVER IT! I personally can't stand it when fighters start thanking their coaches and sponsors after a fight instead of answering the actual question they were asked. But, if they have to throw their coaches and sponsor's names out there . . . meh . . . I'll just mute the TV or just ignore it.

The bottom line is this. If a fighter puts his heart and sole into training, then leaves everything he has in the cage to entertain us . . . the fans . . . I say let them thank who they want. If they want to thank their 98 year old grandmother who has one leg in the nursing home, I say who cares!?!?!?!?! If it pissed you off, get over it! I'm sorry it annoys you but criticizing one's personal choice to thank who they want is just retarded.
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post #12 of 62 (permalink) Old 11-24-2010, 12:15 PM
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Wow . . . a lot of God hate on this board.

If a fighter wishes to thank God for the victory, that is his personal choice to do so. For the American's, it's their constitutional right to do so.

As far as being pissed about seeing it or saying this sh** has no place in this sport . . . I say get over it. You don't have to agree with a fighter's choice to thank God, but you should respect it. If they have a personal relationship with God and wish to thank him for the victory, let them. Who is it hurting? That is between them and God. It has nothing to do with the opponent (or in this case the viewer) or their religious preference. That is a personal relationship they wish to acknowledge during their moment of victory.

I have debated this with others before. I have never understood why so many non-christians get so upset when it comes to someone else thanking God. Does it hurt you physically? Does it hurt you mentally? Or is just the simple fact it annoys you? My guess is that it just annoys you. GET OVER IT! I personally can't stand it when fighters start thanking their coaches and sponsors after a fight instead of answering the actual question they were asked. But, if they have to throw their coaches and sponsor's names out there . . . meh . . . I'll just mute the TV or just ignore it.

The bottom line is this. If a fighter puts his heart and sole into training, then leaves everything he has in the cage to entertain us . . . the fans . . . I say let them thank who they want. If they want to thank their 98 year old grandmother who has one leg in the nursing home, I say who cares!?!?!?!?! If it pissed you off, get over it! I'm sorry it annoys you but criticizing one's personal choice to thank who they want is just retarded.
Good post dude. +rep.

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post #13 of 62 (permalink) Old 11-24-2010, 12:18 PM Thread Starter
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Dude's thanking his God in his way. It's no different than a white Catholic falling to his knees, putting his hands together in prayer after a victory, and thanking the 'Lord' above. I'm a Buddhist in training, so if I want to celebrate by crossing my legs, placing my hands together, and levitating, what harm is it causing to anyone else? Prayer is prayer, and thanks is thanks, no matter which way you slice it.
the point is that you are implicitly involving the other guy in your ritual.

it would be wrong if it was OCD and its still ****ed up if its religion.

its the proximity and relationship to the beaten opponent that irk's not the life choice.
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Wow . . . a lot of God hate on this board.

If a fighter wishes to thank God for the victory, that is his personal choice to do so. For the American's, it's their constitutional right to do so.

As far as being pissed about seeing it or saying this sh** has no place in this sport . . . I say get over it. You don't have to agree with a fighter's choice to thank God, but you should respect it. If they have a personal relationship with God and wish to thank him for the victory, let them. Who is it hurting? That is between them and God. It has nothing to do with the opponent (or in this case the viewer) or their religious preference. That is a personal relationship they wish to acknowledge during their moment of victory.

I have debated this with others before. I have never understood why so many non-christians get so upset when it comes to someone else thanking God. Does it hurt you physically? Does it hurt you mentally? Or is just the simple fact it annoys you? My guess is that it just annoys you. GET OVER IT! I personally can't stand it when fighters start thanking their coaches and sponsors after a fight instead of answering the actual question they were asked. But, if they have to throw their coaches and sponsor's names out there . . . meh . . . I'll just mute the TV or just ignore it.

The bottom line is this. If a fighter puts his heart and sole into training, then leaves everything he has in the cage to entertain us . . . the fans . . . I say let them thank who they want. If they want to thank their 98 year old grandmother who has one leg in the nursing home, I say who cares!?!?!?!?! If it pissed you off, get over it! I'm sorry it annoys you but criticizing one's personal choice to thank who they want is just retarded.
gtfoh. i got put on red rep just for making this thread.

the hate my friend is from the zealots.

please read the post.

the issue is doing it over your opponent as on saturday.

its not the fact you believe in a mystical entity that created everything and gifted you a win.

does spitting on someone hurt them physically?

does wiping your arse on their prayer book hurt them?

theres a difference between being discrete about your faith/beliefs and lording it over a vanquished opponent.

why is arrogance suddenly not arrogance when its religious arrogance?

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gtfoh. i got put on red rep just for making this thread.

the hate my friend is from the zealots.

please read the post.

the issue is doing it over your opponent as on saturday.

its not the fact you believe in a mystical entity that created everything and gifted you a win.

does spitting on someone hurt them physically?

does wiping your arse on their prayer book hurt them?

theres a difference between being discrete about your faith/beliefs and lording it over a vanquished opponent.

why is arrogance suddenly not arrogance when its religious arrogance?
No red from me . . . I actually gave you a positve.

There again, it's a personal choice. If he would have spit on his opponent, then that is a case worth arguing. They insulted their opponent by physically demeaning them with the spit. In this case, the praise, or thanks to God, is not directed at the opponent it is directed to the God they are thanking. The proximity of where he is thanking God is irrelevant.

Somebody else said it, but I'll repeat it. Other fighters dig graves, shoot the downed opponent or yell obscenities at their opponents. This to me, is much more demeaning than someone point to God or folding their hands in thanks. The action of thanking God is not directed to the opponent and is not intended to disgrace or offend the opponent. Whereas giving someone the bird or yelling at them when they are on the ground is in fact directed to the losing fighter.

The offense is in the intention behind the gesture . . . not the gesture itself. In the case of thanking God . . . you can't win an argument that a winning fighter does that to disrespect his opponent. That's not valid at all.
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I don't much care for the celebrations right in the faces of the guy you just beat religious or otherwise. The octagon is huge these guys could go do their little mime routines away from their opponent if they wanted. They are just douches taunting the guy they just beat.
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As if pulling up a single example proves anything. Bones didnt lose. He didnt get beaten up. He got DQ'd. The simple facts are you for every 1000 fighters who thank god when they win, you might find one that says their loss was gods will. This kind of selective religion is bullshit and not sincere.
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No red from me . . . I actually gave you a positve.

There again, it's a personal choice. If he would have spit on his opponent, then that is a case worth arguing. They insulted their opponent by physically demeaning them with the spit. In this case, the praise, or thanks to God, is not directed at the opponent it is directed to the God they are thanking. The proximity of where he is thanking God is irrelevant.

Somebody else said it, but I'll repeat it. Other fighters dig graves, shoot the downed opponent or yell obscenities at their opponents. This to me, is much more demeaning than someone point to God or folding their hands in thanks. The action of thanking God is not directed to the opponent and is not intended to disgrace or offend the opponent. Whereas giving someone the bird or yelling at them when they are on the ground is in fact directed to the losing fighter.

The offense is in the intention behind the gesture . . . not the gesture itself. In the case of thanking God . . . you can't win an argument that a winning fighter does that to disrespect his opponent. That's not valid at all.
you make a good argument so il make my own personal opinion clear.

i dont impose my faith on others. the idea of getting on my knees right over someone who is lying there beat and rather than offering them a hand, offering them to god as a sacrifice, is the atithesis of the values i was raised with.

taking the piss out of them is neither here nor there, what happened on saturday was far closer to actually pissing on them than taking the piss.

it just seems creepy.

i do have faith.

just obviously a slightly different faith than you.

what im not about to do is knock you the **** out and then get on my knees where you lay and herald my faith over your broken body.

that just aint my style.

it would seem a harrassment of a fallen opponent after the end of hostilities to do so.
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gtfoh. i got put on red rep just for making this thread.

the hate my friend is from the zealots.

please read the post.

the issue is doing it over your opponent as on saturday.

its not the fact you believe in a mystical entity that created everything and gifted you a win.

does spitting on someone hurt them physically?

does wiping your arse on their prayer book hurt them?

theres a difference between being discrete about your faith/beliefs and lording it over a vanquished opponent.

why is arrogance suddenly not arrogance when its religious arrogance?
Sorry, I was confused for a moment and got lost in the other posts. Now that I understand the post, if they did it OVER their opponent, it's good grounds for a bitch slap in my opinion.
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you make a good argument so il make my own personal opinion clear.

i dont impose my faith on others. the idea of getting on my knees right over someone who is lying there beat and rather than offering them a hand, offering them to god as a sacrifice, is the atithesis of the values i was raised with.

taking the piss out of them is neither here nor there, what happened on saturday was far closer to actually pissing on them than taking the piss.

it just seems creepy.

i do have faith.

just obviously a slightly different faith than you.

what im not about to do is knock you the **** out and then get on my knees where you lay and herald my faith over your broken body.

that just aint my style.

it would seem a harrassment of a fallen opponent after the end of hostilities to do so.
Im curious as to what fight your talking about perhaps that would help understand what your trying to suggest?
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