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Fair enough. 19 65.52%
Has no place in the sport. 10 34.48%
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post #21 of 62 (permalink) Old 11-24-2010, 01:46 PM
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you make a good argument so il make my own personal opinion clear.

i dont impose my faith on others. the idea of getting on my knees right over someone who is lying there beat and rather than offering them a hand, offering them to god as a sacrifice, is the atithesis of the values i was raised with.

taking the piss out of them is neither here nor there, what happened on saturday was far closer to actually pissing on them than taking the piss.

it just seems creepy.

i do have faith.

just obviously a slightly different faith than you.

what im not about to do is knock you the **** out and then get on my knees where you lay and herald my faith over your broken body.

that just aint my style.

it would seem a harrassment of a fallen opponent after the end of hostilities to do so.
I can see (and respect) your point of view when stated this way. You make a valid point as well. If he did that, with the intentions you mention here, then yeah I disagree with his actions as well. Unfortunately we will never know his intentions.

As far as the rest . . . we can agree to disagree!! No harm no foul!!
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Im curious as to what fight your talking about perhaps that would help understand what your trying to suggest?
fair enough. ive seen silva do it a few times altho i expect he is genuine.

it dont chime well with his arrogance in other times over his opponent tho.

no. on saturday it was the lightweight bout: Edson Barboza vs. Mike Lullo

Barboza defeated Lullo via TKO (leg kicks) at 0:26 of round 3.

the guy could hardly stand up. i would have offered him a hand. it was obvious lullo was happy to congratulate the victor unlike others on saturday. but no. barboza said his little prayer in lullos face and then walked off.

there is a kind of arrogance that goes with this behavior. playing the religion card is neither here nor there.

it looked ugly cos it ****in was.

if it had been a muslim fighter over an american we wouldnt have liked it.

then again thats a religion that believes in humility whatever else you can say against it so i doubt wed see that happen.
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fair enough. ive seen silva do it a few times altho i expect he is genuine.

it dont chime well with his arrogance in other times over his opponent tho.

no. on saturday it was the lightweight bout: Edson Barboza vs. Mike Lullo

Barboza defeated Lullo via TKO (leg kicks) at 0:26 of round 3.

the guy could hardly stand up. i would have offered him a hand. it was obvious lullo was happy to congratulate the victor unlike others on saturday. but no. barboza said his little prayer in lullos face and then walked off.

there is a kind of arrogance that goes with this behavior. playing the religion card is neither here nor there.

it looked ugly cos it ****in was.

if it had been a muslim fighter over an american we wouldnt have liked it.

then again thats a religion that believes in humility whatever else you can say against it so i doubt wed see that happen.
Yeah I see what you mean now, and your right if it was a muslim fighter that wouldn't have gone down easy lol.

just like if Rampage and Machida had switched roles in their fight( doing exactly what the other fighter did), their would be more boos against Machida and Dana still crediting Rampage.
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I can see (and respect) your point of view when stated this way. You make a valid point as well. If he did that, with the intentions you mention here, then yeah I disagree with his actions as well. Unfortunately we will never know his intentions.

As far as the rest . . . we can agree to disagree!! No harm no foul!!
yeh man. avoid the polemics i say. we all have faith in one thing or another and we all use our critical faculties too.

its not about the black and white , us v them group wars.

it is a personal opinion but i just didnt like it because 1 its a ritual and 2 i feel in certain ways it is involuntarily involving a beaten opponent.

if anything after a fight the ref should separate on pain of DQ.

when the man is standing then do your rain dance.

the example of straight up piss taking dont involve someone getting on his knees and in the face of an opponent. the referee would rightly stop this.

there is a degree of separation even in the worst culprits of after fight piss taking.

tank abbot might have mocked a seizure but he didnt go down on his knees next to the guy and do it. if he did ... it wouldnt have ended well.

my biggest issue is the fact you are involving the other guy against his will in your ritual. the rest is between you and god/the devil.

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I feel like it is distasteful and disrespectful to his opponent, but its something I feel they should be allowed to do. Ultimately he should have the right to practice his superstition when it doesn't directly affect anyone negatively.



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I feel like it is distasteful and disrespectful to his opponent, but its something I feel they should be allowed to do. Ultimately he should have the right to practice his superstition when it doesn't directly affect anyone negatively.
honestly, il leave it at this post, barring quote rebuttals.

1 i believe the fighters should be separated post fight.

2 then and only then the winner can do what the **** he wants. i dont have an issue with him owning the octagon or even getting in the middle of it to thank god.

you dont see them pulling it with rogan mid interview, do you?

i dont care if he wants to mock the dude like a bitch from a distance. thats his shit. and it will come back on him.

he should be DQ'd lie a mother****a if he gets down to do that over a guy who is out and who he has been separated from by a sanctioned referee.

we wouldnt like it if chael did it mocking silva after a win. the reverse proves the rule. and more to the point...if the ref has separated the fighters he has no place in the other guys vicinity until he is up.

thats my opinion. i may or may not chose to defend it, but im done expressing it at this point.

thanks for the replies.

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honestly, il leave it at this post, barring quote rebuttals.

1 i believe the fighters should be separated post fight.

2 then and only then the winner can do what the **** he wants. i dont have an issue with him owning the octagon or even getting in the middle of it to thank god.

you dont see them pulling it with rogan mid interview, do you?

i dont care if he wants to mock the dude like a bitch from a distance. thats his shit. and it will come back on him.

he should be DQ'd lie a mother****a if he gets down to do that over a guy who is out and who he has been separated from by a sanctioned referee.

we wouldnt like it if chael did it mocking silva after a win. the reverse proves the rule. and more to the point...if the ref has separated the fighters he has no place in the other guys vicinity until he is up.

thats my opinion. i may or may not chose to defend it, but im done expressing it at this point.

thanks for the replies.

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wait you mean like doing that directly over the guy? i thought this was all about like 10+feet away. what the guy is crowding around the medical staff, ref, other people, the guy's camp... im not even sure he could get over the guys body but hell no, i believe you'd get your ass kicked doing something like that.

edit: check out phil baroni against scott jansen he lingered around to closely after he knocked the guy out and he got attacked. which id assume to be a relatively common occurrence in such an event.



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its always in the centre of the ring and usually over the guy who is lying there ****ed up after being beaten.

lets say its a muslim fighter who does a dozen allah akbars over an american he ktfo.

still feel the same about it?

fair enough? or just bad taste.

it looks like human sacrifice.

its not something the other guy has any choice in.

is it fair (when the other guy is forced to be part of the relationship like on saturday), or should it be stamped out of MMA.
Are you serious? Its called freedom of speech. Why don't I hear anyone speaking against Sanchez yelling "Jesus is #1" every 2 seconds after his fight. Honestly, who gives a crap, let the man praise his god as you do to yours, grow up.
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Are you serious? Its called freedom of speech. Why don't I hear anyone speaking against Sanchez yelling "Jesus is #1" every 2 seconds after his fight. Honestly, who gives a crap, let the man praise his god as you do to yours, grow up.
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God helps them in a way, motivates them and they feel like God was by their side after all the hard work they have done and won.
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