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Old 12-15-2010, 07:29 PM   #11 (permalink)
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A small portion of fans are questioning. The majority of hardcore MMA fans know and accept Fedor's legacy and what he's done in the sport.

The fighters themselves mostly agree that Fedor is the greatest of all time. Even the UFC's champions like GSP, Cain and Shogun all 3 of them agree Fedor is the greatest.

A portion of fans will always question a fighters legacy, that's how it goes. There are people who question Ali's legacy, does that mean that his legacy is fading? No, he will always go down as one of the greatest boxers of all time, regardless of what a portion of people think.
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Old 12-15-2010, 07:39 PM   #12 (permalink)
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M.C., with Ali, it's a little bit different, isn't it? When Ali was fighting in his prime, he fought people who were perceived to be the best. That's not the case with Fedor. He's still relatively young, so I wouldn't say he's over the hill. What is fact is that most people are saying he's not fighting the best right now.

In fact, it's a lose/lose situation with him. He risks the chance of losing to lesser calibur opponents (which is what happened), or if he wins, then his wins get dismissed because they weren't against the highest-level calibur opponents. Thus, his legacy becomes questioned due to his lack of relevancy.
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Old 12-15-2010, 07:45 PM   #13 (permalink)
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His legacy isn't tranished at all. What is your definition of "tarnish", exactly?

The last few years of most great fighters are all bad. Randy, if he retires now, if the only person I can think of that will come out of his career on a high note.

Every UFC champion outside of Anderson states Fedor is the greatest. The majortiy of hardcore MMA fans state Fedor is the greatest. If the majority of fighters and fans alike say Fedor is the greatest, how exactly is his legacy tarnished?

There will ALWAYS be a portion of fans and the sports community that believe a fighter isn't as good as he is praised or is overhyped or whatever. You cannot help or stop that, that's how fans and people in general are.

However, when the majority of hardcore fans and definitely the majority of fighters themselves state he's the best, then his legacy is perfectly safe.

Also, no, Ali is the same. He's was amazing at his sport and there is a portion who think he is overrated. There's a portion that think Tom Brady is overrated, there's a portion that think Tiger Woods is overrated, Michael Jordan, etc.

There will always be questions/comments about someone's legacy/career, always. However, when the majority of stars in the sport and the majority of real fans state that a certain person in that sport is the greatest or is amazing, you can conclude that his legacy is perfectly safe.
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Old 12-15-2010, 07:55 PM   #14 (permalink)
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By "tarnished" I more or less mean "questioned." So I'm saying people are questioning his legacy because they're questioning the quality of his past opposition, and criticizing his relevancy by questioning his current opposition.

Now, back to Ali. Yes, I'm sure some people said he was overrated. But if they said without any good reason to back it up, then they can be easily dismissed. However, if they said Ali was overrated because he's not fighting the best at his prime, then they'd have a point if he truly was not fighting the best opponents. That's the difference between Ali and Fedor. Most people are saying Fedor is not fighting the best. I'm starting to agree with them on this, and I want to have a serious, sober conversation about it.
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Old 12-15-2010, 08:01 PM   #15 (permalink)
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If by questioning, then I agree. Everyone questions the greatest of each sport. People quesiton Tiger, people question Jordan, people question pretty much every great of every sport.

Fedor's legacy is far from "tranished", as his legacy is to this day being priased by high level, super star fighters and fans alike as being the greatest in the sports history to this day.

Fedor's not in his prime. Fedor is 34 years old and has been fighting for over a decade all around the world. He's not over the hill by any means, but he's not in his prime, either.
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If by questioning, then I agree. Everyone questions the greatest of each sport. People quesiton Tiger, people question Jordan, people question pretty much every great of every sport.

Fedor's legacy is far from "tranished", as his legacy is to this day being priased by high level, super star fighters and fans alike as being the greatest in the sports history to this day.

Fedor's not in his prime. Fedor is 34 years old and has been fighting for over a decade all around the world. He's not over the hill by any means, but he's not in his prime, either.
Well, Ali was 33 when he beat Frazier and Foreman, and was 34 when he beat Frazier again.

It doesn't matter whether people called Ali overrated. What matters is was Ali fighting the best. At Fedor's age, Ali was fighting the best. You cannot say the samething about Fedor. That's the problem. Another problem was did he fight the best in the PAST? I think he did at the time (I think Pride's HW division was much better than UFC's), but I'm not so sure about the best right NOW. The problem really is his legacy isn't finished. He's still 34 years young, and his current relevancy can affect his legacy when it is finally finished.
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Old 12-15-2010, 08:24 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Is Ali fighting the best RIGHT NOW? Nope, he's retired. Let's say Fedor retired right now. Would he still be getting the same hate? Yup, you bet he would. You know why? People find reasons to hate on great fighters and question their legacy/career, it happens to all great sportsmen.

If Fedor retired last year, would we be having this conversation? Yup, cause people would be still saying "Fedor only beat Sylvia and Arlovski before he retired", even though they were both highly ranked. Why? Cause people will find a way or reason to disagree with someone's career.

What Fedor has done in his career cannot be forgotten, and if he was retired he'd be getting the same crap now as he would if he was retired. Just becasue he's still fighting does not mean that his legacy or career or anything is even slightly tarnished. What he's done is done, and what he's done is amazing and will always be amazing, no matter what he does right now or in the future, retired or not retired, here or there, it does not matter.

A legacy is what have you done in your career, and Fedor's career is being praised right now to this day by Legends, P4P contenders, current and former champions, as well as a very, very large portion of hardcore MMA fans as the best in the sport's history.

His legacy is set in stone, what he has done is there. What he does from now on will always be questioned, as it would be with any other great fighter, but that does not remove the past or his legacy as a whole.
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Andrei Arlovski - Number 2 Heavyweight in the World.

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Brett Rogers - Number 6 Heavyweight in the World.

His 09 campaign, keep in mind Affliction went under which kept him from fighting because Barnett was roided up, to say he doesn't fight the best, or atleast top ten guys is insane. He has the best resume of any Heavyweight and he's the most well rounded fighter in the history of the sport. He doesn't need the UFC, he was already the number one Heavyweight in PRIDE back when it was on top.

His legacy is safe, even with the Werdum loss, no one can compare to Fedor.
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Well, Ali was 33 when he beat Frazier and Foreman, and was 34 when he beat Frazier again.

It doesn't matter whether people called Ali overrated. What matters is was Ali fighting the best. At Fedor's age, Ali was fighting the best. You cannot say the samething about Fedor. That's the problem. Another problem was did he fight the best in the PAST? I think he did at the time (I think Pride's HW division was much better than UFC's), but I'm not so sure about the best right NOW. The problem really is his legacy isn't finished. He's still 34 years young, and his current relevancy can affect his legacy when it is finally finished.
As far as I got into the English language "legacy" can be translated into "something which is left behind". Now, Emelianenko leaves behind that he dominated the HW devision of MMA over several years (you admit yourself that Pride's HW devision was better than UFC's at that time). Will that be changed in any way by the way he performs today¿ No. Will he not have dominated MMA's HW devision over years when he goes on a 10 loss streak from today on¿ No. In that case one can say that he wasn't smart enough to see the right point when to retire, but he will still leave behind that he dominated MMA's HW devision over years and that's something noone else can claim until now (how long did Lesnar rule UFC HW¿ Sylvia¿ Couture¿).

His "legacy" can only be overthrown if i.e. he openly admits that at that time he ate roided babies with the goal of getting superhuman powers or something like that, but until there isn't anything that puts his achievements into another light, his legacy persists.
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Old 12-15-2010, 08:54 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Since M.C is doing an awesome work in this thread, i feel no need to express myself but to say that i agree.

Fedor's legacy isn't affected but he isn't as relevant as he used to be.
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