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post #61 of 107 (permalink) Old 01-14-2011, 02:44 PM
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And why does this make Overeem a p*ssy?!
I don't get it!!
You know he is fighting in the tournament, right?
He didn't back out of it! He wanted to participate in the tournament and fight whoever they'll put in fron of him.

It's not his fault SF couldn't make the fights 5 rounders.

So excuse me, if i ask again?! Why is he a p**sy?!
Ok maybe calling him a p*ssy was a bit much lol am actually a fan of him, but its obvious that he has gave himself this insurance so no matter what happens he is still gonna be the champ at the end of it all. Werdum has just beat the best HW on the planet and now he has to fight 3 more top 10 opponents(including the champion) before he can even get a shot at the title and you think thats fair? come on, clearly the winner of all this should be the SF HW champion. If it was all on 1 night like a real tournament then that would be different, but its not, they are all seperate fights that just happened to work out like a tourney, theres no different rules or anything.

I dont have a problem with them all being 3 rounds either, my beef is that the "Final" is not a championship fight.

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Ok maybe calling him a p*ssy was a bit much lol am actually a fan of him, but its obvious that he has gave himself this insurance so no matter what happens he is still gonna be the champ at the end of it all. Werdum has just beat the best HW on the planet and now he has to fight 3 more top 10 opponents(including the champion) before he can even get a shot at the title and you think thats fair? come on, clearly the winner of all this should be the SF HW champion. If it was all on 1 night like a real tournament then that would be different, but its not, they are all seperate fights that just happened to work out like a tourney, theres no different rules or anything.

I dont have a problem with them all being 3 rounds either, my beef is that the "Final" is not a championship fight.
That is understandable..


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So the only question would remain if the states in question where where the events were planned and if one or two were but one wasn't than an opening round of 5 rounds in the tourney leading to a second round of 3 rounds fights would kinda be akward as well..
Yeah, that would be very strange. None of the venues are nailed down besides the one in NJ.

To be honest, the whole Barnett thing is awkward too. They have to make sure every event he could be a part of is in a state that is willing to license him.

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If this tournament is a huge success and is repeated hell we may even see guys doing well in the UFC think screw this I want to compete in the SF GP in the near future, this could even force the UFC to start co-promoting so we can see these dream fights like Cain vs Fedor and JDS vs Overeem, the only thing standing in the way of this right now it the UFC policy against co-promotion but after they lose there No1 status surrounding having the best fighters, they maybe left with no choice but to let there fighters go out there and try to win it back.
That seems unlikely. The average viewers for Strikeforce events on Showtime are worse than WEC on Versus. Obviously, Showtime is in far fewer homes, but it still means fewer people are watching. Their two shows on CBS did considerably worse than what normal programs in their time slot would do, and they've yet to be invited back since the brawl. This tournament is big news here, but I doubt the casual fans even know it exists.

Unless the general public sees Strikeforce as a legitimate contender, they'll never force the UFC to do anything.

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Killer the cross promotion and testing the "circuit" argument is getting really old. The UFC is never going to co-promote and Strikeforce will eventually fold no matter how much you hope against it.
It's hard to say what will happen with Strikeforce. Just like Zuffa, they're a private company, so they don't have any public filings to look at.

But we do have info that their three year TV deal with Showtime and CBS was worth between $23.75M and $25M for 48 shows. It may end up being less than that since it's likely fewer than the maximum number of shows possible will go to CBS. If that's accurate, that's not a lot of revenue. The UFC has grossed more on single PPVs.

I certainly expect them to be losing money, but it's hard to know how much.

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the whole Barnett thing is awkward too. They have to make sure every event he could be a part of is in a state that is willing to license him..
And that can be a contributing factor when trying to get some of these fights sanctioned...


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And that can be a contributing factor when trying to get some of these fights sanctioned...
IIRC most states uphold suspensions or am I wrong?
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I can understand the commission's rules regarding a 5 rounder during a tourney. But what the shit! What happens if Werdum beats Overeem, but Fedor beat Werdum in the the rematch, but then if Fedor and Overeem fight, Overeem wins.

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If I were Werdum I would be pissed. The guy earns a title shot after beating Fedor and now he won't even get his shot.
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what a mess should be entertaining still, but sucks for Werdum.
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IIRC most states uphold suspensions or am I wrong?
They do, but he isn't suspended anymore. The suspension ran out last summer. But it's still up to commissions to decide if they'll grant a fighter's license.

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"His suspension is off the registry, and a denial doesn't go on the registry because that's each state's determination to make, as far as licensing an individual," Dodd said. "Not for me."

Although California, Nevada, and New Jersey are unlikely to grant the fighter a license, Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker told ESPN.com that several athletic commissions are willing to grant him a license provided that he passes a pre-fight test for steroids.
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He's not even planning to show up at the CA hearing, so I don't think he'll be answering any of their questions. No fighting in CA for him, I guess. They don't name a source for the Nevada or New Jersey commissions, but I guess they have the same questions for him.

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Coker didn't make this decision.

The commissions wouldn't sanction 5 round fights in the tournament.
Still think it is silly. I'm more glad to see actual good matchups than caring any about who is the make believe champ. But what is the point of a tournament if it really doesn't determine any sort of champ? Why even have a tourement? Why not just give us these matchups and have Werdum(the rightful #1 contender) fight Overeem for the belt? Then the winner of Fedor/Silva....and so on.

Defeats the purpose of having a tournement. But put a bracket up and people slobber all over it...even if it doesn't determine anything.

I'd rather forget this whole tourney thing and actually get a belt on he line. They already have a legit #1 contender.
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